Tired of repeating myself at this point, so I'm going to move on.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Should be seen as purely a financial asset and be sold in the summer. As talented as he is Utd need to close this chapter.
You've faced some public backlash on an internet forum, so now you know what David Beckham and Mason Greenwood went through.
Not quite to the same extent.
Public backlash is public backlash, as we have learned.
Oh silly me. I hope that I have the mental strength to perform at work tomorrow, a la Beckham and Greenwood.
Tbf no matter what we think of him that Red looked absolute nonsense
Take the L.
You have been shown for what you are, stop digging
The people in charge got something wrong?
Oh the horror.
Not at all. I made my point. Nothing more to say.Take the L.
You have been shown for what you are, stop digging
I have no idea why this very simple point has created such a push back.
Lots of disingenuous replies since I haven't seen anyone try to compare the events that created the backlash because that clearly wasn't the point.
The Beckham comparison is apt because he is the United player who had to endure the worst public backlash that I can remember and he did amazingly well to come out even stronger.
I actually doubt that Greenwood's return could be worse in terms of reaction from opposition fans but, as has been pointed out, the big difference was that pretty much all United fans supported Becks whereas this clearly isn't the case with Greenwood.
Does the loan have a break clause? I.e. if there's genuine interest in him now, could he be sold in January?
Apparently yes and it had been reported that Getafe would be due 20% of any sale fee, seems crazy to me that the club agreed to this but possible since they left it so late to get a loan deal.
Yeah, that clause is mind-blowing, we obviously fecked up with the whole thing. I haven't read any of the stories but seen various headlines suggesting that the bigger clubs in Spain are all interested. Not sure if there's any truth to those rumours though.
Convenient. You got shown up, now you have nothing more to say. Simple.
Yes you do. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise.
So says the king.
So you don't think context applies also? Come on now.
I pointed that out first earlier.
You want to doubt that it would be, but none of us know for sure. Still, Beckham had a lot of angry football fans going at him, Greenwood will have a lot of angry football fans plus people who give a shit about his criminal charges too. Including his own fans.
Honestly, the copium is very real here. You guys want to think it will be easier for him because you want him to come back. But the fact is he hasn't come back because you guys think the pressure from social media made that decision. A decision he has told you he has been part of. But you still want to believe he will come back and the furore will quickly die down. None of it makes sense when you actually think about it.
Who else came in? Who else wanted him to play for them? That 20% clause could have gone to anyone. And yet, only Getafe wanted the risk. Are we saying United held him back, or that other clubs knew more than we do and didn't want the risk? Which one is it?
Because it seems very stupid for United to have that clause if he was in any kind of demand.
Those "rumours" are from UK papers too. The same papers who are apparently the enemy here. Make minds up.
I doubt it's true - he's done well enough for various clubs to start keeping tabs on his situation but it's still early days in his return so I cant see any big club taking a punt in this window.
If the 20% thing is true then it actually makes it less likely that United would sell him - most likely scenario is that he stays at Getafe until summer and then reassess.
We have two options come summer as he'll had one year left on his deal, sell for a modest fee with a high % sell on, or offer him a new contract.
Definitely fair. In the Summer we had no hope of getting anything for him and, even if we had somehow got an offer, the media were already taking the ridiculous stance we shouldn’t take any money for him. Getafe have taken the risk on him, basically done an amazing job of showing any other club that he’s an asset and made it near impossible for the media to argue it’s inappropriate for him to be sold for a few. They fully deserve their cut.
Not to the point being made - I guess you just didnt understand the point and went off on some random tangent making up stuff that no one said instead
I think you've mixed a few posters up here. At the very least I have no recollection of saying the UK papers are the enemy. Bunch of cnuts, yes. But from a United perspective I wouldn't call them "the enemy". Maybe from the perspective of the citizenry, but that's another discussion.
The club have an option to extend to 2026
Should have stuck to your original answer before the edit.
Made you look less like you.
Yeah my bad, I should have made it clear I meant people blaming the papers for the anger at him potentially being brought back.
But those reports are from over here, not from anywhere else. I'm not sure why the likes of Barca or Real would want him, but if they did both Greenwood and United should grab that.
F off apparently
Or extend for 12 months
Ye I guess it makes sense from that perspective
It's a feck up from the club leaving it idiotically late to sort out his future so I guess they had no option but to agree this kind of crazy offer, not clear on the exact details of the 20% clause though and how long it is valid for
So you think it was the club leaving it last minute, and not the lack of offers?
Because if so, what would stop other clubs coming in at the last minute? Like we have done ourselves before?
It doesn't make sense that Gatafe would get him and for that sort of deal, yet no one else could.
Well one leads to the other basically
I would assume the same deal was on offer to others, but the club basically had 10 days to find him a club and after 18 months out I would not expect a queue of clubs ready to take the gamble
I guess it has paid off for Getafe though - no loan fee, only paying a small amount of his wages plus a potential cut of any sale
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Referee's report on Greenwood red card (shame we dont get the same in England so quickly after a match):
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...greenwood-arbitro-expulsado-roja-directa.html
“In the 50th minute, Getafe player Mason Greenwood was sent off for the following reason: for addressing me in protest and raising his arm, in the following terms: “f*** you!”. Once expelled, he puts his finger to his temple, making a repeated gesture as a sign of disagreement with the decision made.”
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...greenwood-arbitro-expulsado-roja-directa.html
“In the 50th minute, Getafe player Mason Greenwood was sent off for the following reason: for addressing me in protest and raising his arm, in the following terms: “f*** you!”. Once expelled, he puts his finger to his temple, making a repeated gesture as a sign of disagreement with the decision made.”
It will be interesting to find out eventually the actual terms.
I do wonder exactly what Getafe would get and for how long. Because if he isn't sold before returning to us, surely they then get nothing? Maybe it's like a bribe we knew we wouldn't cash in on.
Agreed, we should get his kind of thing after the game. Hold them more accountable, but also let them explain and let that be that.
Shouldn't Bellingham then have seen a number of reds? He mouths off constantly.
No because another footballer didn't get punished for the same behaviour once. Apparently this is now how it works.
3 red cards in one game is ridiculous.
Tell a ref to feck off especially with such repeated hand gestures, and you can't really complain at getting sent off.
Quality control
Yes you can. You're letting your dislike for the man cloud your judgement.
Literally happens every game in the PL. Seen our players do it so many times.
PL dont like our south american players and keep giving them cards and ban, and now La Liga dont like our british players. Is there any part of the world where we are likeable? Are we the baddies?
Another player was sent off for dissent, so it probably wasn’t personal.
He started his over the top control with a yellow for a strong tackle (in a derby match) after 4 minutes.