Top 10 greatest players of all time

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Diego Maradona
Lionel Messi
Pele
Cristiano Ronaldo
Johan Cryuff
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George Best
Paolo Maldini
Ronaldinho
Alfredo di Stefano
 

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Find that response very funny.

“If Messi is the best all of all time because he won the World Cup where does that leave Pele who only won it three times?”

Then someone went on to post a list of his top 10 without Pele in it…
My post wasn’t in response to the other poster?
 

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Messi
C Ronaldo
Maradona
Ronaldo
Zidane
Gullit
Maldini
Henry
Ronaldinho
Modric

Not including players I've never seen or was too young to really watch. Probably forgotten a million.
 

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Seeing Zidane in a top 10 all time list makes me think he is vastly overrated.

Yes, he was the definition of a big game player, but seriously everyone in the top 30 or so produced in big matches. He also has unbelievable highlights, but has someone watched him in the ordinary league games vs cannon fodder opposition?
He was almost lazy. His stats also reflects this.

For me, Iniesta was far and away the better player. He even also had all the big moments in World Cups and Champions League as well, but you very very rarely see him listed in a all time top 10.

And I have Xavi even ahead of Iniesta.
 

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1. Pele
2. Diego Maradona
3. Lionel Messi
4. Cristiano Ronaldo
5. Franz Beckenbaur
6. Johan Cruyff
7. Alfredo Di Stefano
8. Bobby Charlton
9. Gerd Muller
10. Phil Neville
 

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You have got it about right.
I would like to add Platini, Eusebio, and Henry to Tier 3.
Oh, yes Eusebio, I'd forgotten about him. Fantastic player and one of the finest strikers of all time.

I thought about adding another Brazilian or two, but they have so many legendary players: Garrincha, Zico, Romario, Ronaldinho, Cafú, Roberto Carlos. It's impossible to single them out sometimes.
 

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Seeing Zidane in a top 10 all time list makes me think he is vastly overrated.

Yes, he was the definition of a big game player, but seriously everyone in the top 30 or so produced in big matches. He also has unbelievable highlights, but has someone watched him in the ordinary league games vs cannon fodder opposition?
He was almost lazy. His stats also reflects this.

For me, Iniesta was far and away the better player. He even also had all the big moments in World Cups and Champions League as well, but you very very rarely see him listed in a all time top 10.

And I have Xavi even ahead of Iniesta.
He is vastly overrated

Took 3 years off and then a couple of pirouettes against Brazil later in 2006, he's the best thing since sliced bread
 

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Messi
C.Ronaldo


Rest are a million miles away. Sorry for being a grumpy cnut but let’s be real people make these lists and have probably never seen more than a handful of games from the players on their list. I bet this whole forum combined have watched 30 games involving Pele.

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I know, but just find it funny someone rate Pele as the unquestionably no.1 GOAT while someone else rate him outside of top 10...
Ah…ok. I’ve not seen much of Pele at all, and what I have seen (the odd pass, shot, goal) doesn’t go alongside the others. He was undoubtedly much better than the clips I’ve seen but I’d be making it up to put him in ‘my’ top ten.
 

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If you have Lionel Messi at number one, it's a good indication it's time to leave the internet.

Best for me is Pele. WC at seventeen, in his first, not fifth, attempt. Maradona second though he'd have likely been first if his career did not die out ignominiously. Cruyff/Beckenbauer afterward as both also changed how football is played. Never seen Puskas or di Stefano save for brief highlights.

Don't get me wrong on Messi, he's an absolute legend of the game, but not anywhere near the top.

Please do not argue with me on the basis 'Pele never played in Europe'. It's just silly.
That's just plain silly, the numbers Messi have are beyond ridiculous if that doesn't take you "anywhere near the top" then nothing will.
 

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Rest are a million miles away. Sorry for being a grumpy cnut but let’s be real people make these lists and have probably never seen more than a handful of games from the players on their list. I bet this whole forum combined have watched 30 games involving Pele.

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How much are you willing to bet on that?
 

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In no particular order, personal opinion which means I dont think Im right.

Pele, Maradona, Cryuff, Puskas, Ronaldo, Messi, Best, DiStefano, Beckenbauer, Ronaldinho
 

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If you have Lionel Messi at number one, it's a good indication it's time to leave the internet.

Best for me is Pele. WC at seventeen, in his first, not fifth, attempt. Maradona second though he'd have likely been first if his career did not die out ignominiously. Cruyff/Beckenbauer afterward as both also changed how football is played. Never seen Puskas or di Stefano save for brief highlights.

Don't get me wrong on Messi, he's an absolute legend of the game, but not anywhere near the top.

Please do not argue with me on the basis 'Pele never played in Europe'. It's just silly.
Looks like this most obvious attempt at troll farming was quite effective. Chapeau! Factually it's obviously utter rubbish.
 

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If you have Lionel Messi at number one, it's a good indication it's time to leave the internet.

Best for me is Pele. WC at seventeen, in his first, not fifth, attempt. Maradona second though he'd have likely been first if his career did not die out ignominiously. Cruyff/Beckenbauer afterward as both also changed how football is played. Never seen Puskas or di Stefano save for brief highlights.

Don't get me wrong on Messi, he's an absolute legend of the game, but not anywhere near the top.

Please do not argue with me on the basis 'Pele never played in Europe'. It's just silly.
How high do you already regard Mbappé, considering your first argument? How did Cruyff and Beckenbauer influence football world more than Messi? I mean, 70s Netherlands and Ajax teams were very influential for sure, as was later 00s and early 10s Barcelona, and Beckenbauer is certainly a unique piece with his all-roundness, but can you tell me the tactical changes that those two players solely promoted in the game to put them above Messi, who was more a difference maker technically(think it's fair to say this, right?)?
 

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Continuing with the obnoxiousness: seeing C Ronaldo above players like Di Stefano, Cruyff, Platini, Zico, etc makes my eyes bleed.
 

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Genuine question- Why do so many people not have Xavi in their lists? What according to you guys does he lack to be in there? Is it recency bias in that people saw more of him over other mythologized names? For me I would put him over Zidane.

1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. C. Ronaldo
5. Cryuff
6. Puskas
7. Beckenbauer
8. Di Stefano
9. Maldini
10. Xavi
 

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Another who's the greatest thread, exciting stuff. But seriously I think things are far too simplistic.

For instance say you think Messi is the best ever, put him in CB and he's no where near an average Premier League CB. Or put him in goals, he probably wouldn't be a semi pro player.

My point is, these lists should be more specific and work there way from their. It would also be a better discussion than the tired old argument over 2 or 3 players and everyone thinking that their opinion is the only right one and everyone should bow to that opinion.
 

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My left bollock. I’m that confident
You would have lost your left bollock.

Your post is silly anyways because if you haven't watched the rest of those names how could you say they were a million miles away? You're basically doing what you accuse others of, just the opposite way.
 

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You would have lost your left bollock.

Your post is silly anyways because if you haven't watched the rest of those names how could you say they were a million miles away? You're basically doing what you accuse others of, just the opposite way.

Nah I could have filled it with players I’ve seen? Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maldini, Brazilian Ronaldo aka sick note etc but those 2 are by far and away the best it’s not even close
 

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1. George Best
2. CR7
3. Bobby Charlton
4. Denis Law
5. Duncan Edwards
6. Eric Cantona
7. Bryan Robson
8. Roy Keane
9. Wayne Rooney
10. Steve Coppell

I know I am biased but I don't care- put Stevie Coppell in as he was my favourite player as a kid.
 

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If you have Lionel Messi at number one, it's a good indication it's time to leave the internet.

Best for me is Pele. WC at seventeen, in his first, not fifth, attempt. Maradona second though he'd have likely been first if his career did not die out ignominiously. Cruyff/Beckenbauer afterward as both also changed how football is played. Never seen Puskas or di Stefano save for brief highlights.

Don't get me wrong on Messi, he's an absolute legend of the game, but not anywhere near the top.

Please do not argue with me on the basis 'Pele never played in Europe'. It's just silly.

The hipster is off the charts in this post feck me. Did you post this sat in Starbucks on a vintage Apple laptop?
 

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Continuing with the obnoxiousness: seeing C Ronaldo above players like Di Stefano, Cruyff, Platini, Zico, etc makes my eyes bleed.
How old do you think people on here are?

I'm middle aged and have never seen a whole Di Stefano match, let alone enough matches to make an informed judgement.

It'd be like saying The Godfather is the greatest film, despite only having seen a 2 min clip of Marlon Brando stoking that cat.
 

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I have some bad news for you...

Keep your testicle but I've watched more than 30 of Pelé's games by myself (all of his Brazil & Santos games that are on footballia + a few from the Cosmos era + a few that aren't on there) — and we have a small but prominent community on here that is just as invested in past football as I am (if not more).
 

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  • Mount Rushmore: Lionel Messi, Pelé, Franz Beckenbauer and Diego Maradona.
  • No. 5—7: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Cristiano Ronaldo and Johan Cruyff.
  • No. 8: Ferenc Puskás. The second greatest footballer of the pre-Pelé era.
  • Best “Bomber” in football history: Gerd Müller.
  • No. 10: Xavi Hernández and Michel Platini.
  • Best Defender in football history, @Šjor Bepo: Paolo Maldini.
I like this one. As I do with most of your lists in threads like these.
 

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How old do you think people on here are?

I'm middle aged and have never seen a whole Di Stefano match, let alone enough matches to make an informed judgement.

It'd be like saying The Godfather is the greatest film, despite only having seen a 2 min clip of Marlon Brando stoking that cat.
I think Di Stefano has enough documentation to make it obvious that he was a more capable player than CRonaldo.
 

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I think Di Stefano has enough documentation to make it obvious that he was a more capable player than CRonaldo.
I think you vastly overestimate the interest most people have in watching hours and hours of terrible quality, ancient footage of teams they almost definitely don't support.
 

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I think you vastly overestimate the interest most people have in watching hours and hours of terrible quality, ancient footage of teams they almost definitely don't support.
I perfectly understand why people put Ronaldo above players that were better than him. It still makes my eyes bleed though.
 

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If you have Lionel Messi at number one, it's a good indication it's time to leave the internet.

Best for me is Pele. WC at seventeen, in his first, not fifth, attempt. Maradona second though he'd have likely been first if his career did not die out ignominiously. Cruyff/Beckenbauer afterward as both also changed how football is played. Never seen Puskas or di Stefano save for brief highlights.

Don't get me wrong on Messi, he's an absolute legend of the game, but not anywhere near the top.

Please do not argue with me on the basis 'Pele never played in Europe'. It's just silly.
Messi was already nr. 1 for quite a lot prolific footballers, managers and pundits before he won the wc. 7 ballon d'ors and insane stats and attributes.
 

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Nah I could have filled it with players I’ve seen? Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maldini, Brazilian Ronaldo aka sick note etc but those 2 are by far and away the best it’s not even close
You don’t get the point, how can you say it’s not even close if you haven’t seen the others? You should say out of those you’ve seen it’s not close, not players you yourself said you haven’t seen.

It would be hypocritical for you to say people shouldn’t put players they haven’t seen loads of games from in their list then in the same breath say those same players aren’t close to Ronaldo or Messi? How would you even know?
 

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I perfectly understand why people put Ronaldo above players that were better than him. It still makes my eyes bleed though.
Its all about opinions here, besides, objectively speaking and in terms of football "greatness", Ronaldo has a strong case above those other players whom you rate higher.
 

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I agree with the tier system:

Jostling for greatest of all-time:

Pelè, Maradona, Messi

Gods of the game:

Di Stefano, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Puskas

Phenomenons at what they did:

C. Ronaldo, Xavi, Platini, Müller, Best, Charlton, Zico

X-factor - the great unknown:

Ronaldo

Excluding defenders sans Beckenbauer because it gets really messy, really quickly.

Chopping it down to 10:

1. Pelè
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. Di Stefano
5. Cruyff
6. Beckenbauer
7. C.Ronaldo
8. Puskas
9. Ronaldo
10. Platini

Truth be told, top 3 is a blind pick; could alternate on any given day. But the only other player with individual ability to breach that trio is Ronaldo and he was on direct course to that before his knees exploded.

Incidentally, C.Ronaldo is the outlier in the whole 10 list as the only player who gets on without having the ability to control a game. Testament to him.

Tried to go by pure individualism and ability to turn a game as such an entity as that's important for a top 10
 

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I agree with the tier system:

Jostling for greatest of all-time:

Pelè, Maradona, Messi

Gods of the game:

Di Stefano, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Puskas

Phenomenons at what they did:

C. Ronaldo, Xavi, Platini, Müller, Best, Charlton, Zico

X-factor - the great unknown:

Ronaldo

Excluding defenders sans Beckenbauer because it gets really messy, really quickly.

Chopping it down to 10:

1. Pelè
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. Di Stefano
5. Cruyff
6. Beckenbauer
7. C.Ronaldo
8. Puskas
9. Ronaldo
10. Platini

Truth be told, top 3 is a blind pick; could alternate on any given day. But the only other player with individual ability to breach that trio is Ronaldo and he was on direct course to that before his knees exploded.

Incidentally, C.Ronaldo is the outlier in the whole 10 list as the only player who gets on without having the ability to control a game. Testament to him.

Tried to go by pure individualism and ability to turn a game as such an entity as that's important for a top 10
Couldn't have put it better myself. Found it really difficult to place him as he is a clear outlier in terms of style and involvment in a game compared to the 20 or so players you'd normally consider for such lists, but likewise, ignoring his numbers and achievements would just be very unfair considering how unique they are.
 

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8. Moulijn
9. Vennegoor of Hesselink
10. Mats Wieffer

I only listed players from the country that invented proper football. If you disagree you should probably leave the internet. Not into discussion so will not respond.
 

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Genuine question- Why do so many people not have Xavi in their lists? What according to you guys does he lack to be in there? Is it recency bias in that people saw more of him over other mythologized names? For me I would put him over Zidane.

1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. C. Ronaldo
5. Cryuff
6. Puskas
7. Beckenbauer
8. Di Stefano
9. Maldini
10. Xavi
Can't speak for everybody else but for me, it's two reasons. Bear in mind that's to sperate him from an all time top 10 or 20 list so please don't mistake it for downplaying his greatness.

The first reason is that throughout his career, he demonstrated his quality in one very specific perfected way of playing. He was a huge part in why said way was perfected but I still hold my doubts whether he could ever transfer his influence to any other team in the world. I think the fact that he was an essential part in making his teams play the way they did and his finess on the ball still makes him easily one of the top midfielders of all time but compared to players who relied on their surroundings relatively less, I think he falls slightly short.

On a personal level, he also just did not have that X factor that gets you excited the way others on these list do. The likes of Iniesta or Zidane made me feel too many times "how did he see that" or "how did he get out of that". My reaction to Xavi has mostly been admiration at how perfected the simple which again, makes him easily an all time great but for me, there were enough players who just had that bit more for a top 10 or 20.
 

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1) Messi
2) Cristiano
3) Best (Honorable mention as a Northern Irish/ United legend haha)

Also I don't see how people rate Zizou as the GOAT, he was world class but definitely not even in the top 10 of all time imo.