True on Alonso. Somehow I just like the guy but yah....i feel we need to get someone who is more established and at his peak.The trouble is, at the moment we are seen as project. It makes it very hard to get someone who is currently top and winning. It puts us in that zone, which fits in with our manager signings, where we are either getting manager on their way up (or at least perceived) or on their way down.
But Alonso would fail your first point " 1. Managers who are showing potentials but has yet to win nothing "
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This isn't a source or rumor but it's just logical, and I'm all for it. Can definitely see a scenario we go for de Zerbi and think it'd be the right appointment given how well he's implemented his system at Brighton.
Zidane has repeatedly said he won't manage in England. He is brilliant and I would love to see it, he is my favorite player of all time too, but it won't happen unfortunately.Zidane would be of the obvious stature if Ten Hag is fired. He would have the respect of the charlatans in the dressing room. I've become so cynical that I honestly feel he'd look at our squad and say, "Even I can't polish a turd." and it would all go wrong.
I'm just so cynical about it all now -- I would just expect any manager to prove me wrong.
It's the lightning in a bottle of structure/recruitment/manager/squad all aligning at once.
I'm just not sold on de Zerbi. He's done well at Brighton, but I think the way they're set up they would do well with someone else too. I'm not sure their success is largely down to him. Alonso or Emery for me.Tweet
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This isn't a source or rumor but it's just logical, and I'm all for it. Can definitely see a scenario we go for de Zerbi and think it'd be the right appointment given how well he's implemented his system at Brighton.
The goal is to have a well set up structure first. And then a manager that lines up with a style of play that suits a big club wanting to win big things (common traits of those clubs are clubs that press high and have very good deep build up structures, and dominate games). We shouldn't be building to be a sit back and absorb pressure team. We have the resources to be a dominant team and that should be the ambition. Therefore you go for a manager who coaches that sort of system.I'm just not sold on de Zerbi. He's done well at Brighton, but I think the way they're set up they would do well with someone else too. I'm not sure their success is largely down to him. Alonso or Emery for me.
That's all very fair, but I guess I'd like to see de Zerbi at another club to see how he does. If we're talking about replacing ETH in the summer (which I'm not sure we should) then whoever comes in needs to be able to hit the ground running. The structure that exists around De Zerbi will not be in place at United by then, at least not entirely, so I think a different profile of coach might be better.The goal is to have a well set up structure first. And then a manager that lines up with a style of play that suits a big club wanting to win big things (common traits of those clubs are clubs that press high and have very good deep build up structures, and dominate games). We shouldn't be building to be a sit back and absorb pressure team. We have the resources to be a dominant team and that should be the ambition. Therefore you go for a manager who coaches that sort of system.
That rules out Unai Emery. Very good manager, especially for clubs like Villa/Spurs. Not the right manager for what we want to be. De Zerbi has done a great job specifically with his coaching, and has Brighton playing far ahead of the level of their actual players, purely based on his tactics. Yes they recruit well, but the performance as a team far exceeds their talent level, and it's built off of a cohesive high press, and as Pep loves to tell everyone, they have the best build up structure around.
Xabi Alonso i can't say how his coaching style is, but what I'm pretty confident in saying is that he's not going to United and he'll wait for Bayern, Liverpool or Real Madrid.
The first two names are...underwhelming.The bookies currently have Graham Potter favorite @ 7/2
1. Graham Potter 7/2
2. Julen Lopetegui 15/2
3. Roberto De Zerbi 14/1
Ruben Amorim 14/1
Xabi Alonso 14/1
Unai Emery 14/1
4. Hansi Flick 16/1
I really hope Flick has a much higher chance than that. It's unwise to go for another unproven manager like Potter or De Zerbi after having two massive gambles (Ole & ETH) being failures.The bookies currently have Graham Potter favorite @ 7/2
1. Graham Potter 7/2
2. Julen Lopetegui 15/2
3. Roberto De Zerbi 14/1
Ruben Amorim 14/1
Xabi Alonso 14/1
Unai Emery 14/1
4. Hansi Flick 16/1
I know you're joking but jesus...Rigobert Song.
Has that clown Onana's card marked after two calamity games, more than can be said for Hag and his blind loyalty to unacceptabliliy.
I’m unsure about de Zerbi but I think De Zerbi is more experienced than Flick. As mentioned he did wel at Sassuolo and Shakhtar as well. Flick only performed at Bayern for a short period.I really hope Flick has a much higher chance than that. It's unwise to go for another unproven manager like Potter or De Zerbi after having two massive gambles (Ole & ETH) being failures.
*cough* Potter *cough*I'm just not sold on de Zerbi. He's done well at Brighton, but I think the way they're set up they would do well with someone else too. I'm not sure their success is largely down to him. Alonso or Emery for me.
Haha pinch of salt indeed.I know you're joking but jesus...
Now 1 place above us… they’ve spent nowhere near what we have. I agree that potter isn’t. As we’ve seen him at a bigger club… De Zerbi would be a gamble I’d take to be fair.Yes he's doing an amazing job, one place and one point below us, FFS he's not the man, neither is Potter
Unlike the previous two certainties LVG and Mourinho, who ended up being no better, quite possibly worse, than Solskjaer.I really hope Flick has a much higher chance than that. It's unwise to go for another unproven manager like Potter or De Zerbi after having two massive gambles (Ole & ETH) being failures.
Unforgivable? The hyperbole surrounding Onana is getting out of hand. He's had a couple of bad games in the Champions League and a few wobbly moments around that. Whatever's happened at AFCON is of no consequence to us.Haha pinch of salt indeed.
I don't see who we'd get in place of Hag at the minute, but I do think his signings will be his downfall. Anthony for £90 is ridiculous, but sticking so blindly with Onana is unforgivable!
He wouldn't know where to begin with our lot.Julian Nagelsmann's contract with Germany ends in the summer, wouldn't rule him out entirely yet.
Yep. now you're on to something.Julian Nagelsmann's contract with Germany ends in the summer, wouldn't rule him out entirely yet.
Inter Milan goalkeeper, Andre Onana, has earned himself the golden glove of the just-ended UEFA Champions League for being an outstanding keeper throughout the competition this season, despite his side’s 0-1 defeat to Manchester City in the final.Rigobert Song.
Has that clown Onana's card marked after two calamity games, more than can be said for Hag and his blind loyalty to unacceptabliliy.
Agreed. So many captain hindsights and revisionists on here. The only incoming transfer that peeved a large minority of fans on here was the Mount one.Inter Milan goalkeeper, Andre Onana, has earned himself the golden glove of the just-ended UEFA Champions League for being an outstanding keeper throughout the competition this season, despite his side’s 0-1 defeat to Manchester City in the final.
The 27-year-old Cameroonian finished the competition with the most clean sheets (8) in 13 games and equally made the most number of saves in the competition to earn the best keeper of the Champions League. Yeah folk were dead against getting him in the summer from memory, not.
Matt Busby was an "ex pool scum" and also played for City, he turned out OK but replacing Klopp at some point is more than likely IMOFor these people saying Alonso, he's an ex pool scum. Doubt he'd agree to come here. More likely a Klopp replacement.
I get you. Feels a bit "fresh" though. But i'm not against it. He's got Leverkusen rocking.Matt Busby was an "ex pool scum" and also played for City, he turned out OK but replacing Klopp at some point is more than likely IMO
Unforgivable? The hyperbole surrounding Onana is getting out of hand. He's had a couple of bad games in the Champions League and a few wobbly moments around that. Whatever's happened at AFCON is of no consequence to us.
It's hardly surprising to stick by him when the alternatives are Tom Heaton and some fella none of us had heard of 6 months ago. Onana was playing for Inter in the Champions League final last season. He's comfortably the most accomplished of the three goalkeepers.
Stat peddling means nothing. Let's not forget that the keeper we had won the golden glove in the PL last season, yet was deemed not good enough.Inter Milan goalkeeper, Andre Onana, has earned himself the golden glove of the just-ended UEFA Champions League for being an outstanding keeper throughout the competition this season, despite his side’s 0-1 defeat to Manchester City in the final.
The 27-year-old Cameroonian finished the competition with the most clean sheets (8) in 13 games and equally made the most number of saves in the competition to earn the best keeper of the Champions League. Yeah folk were dead against getting him in the summer from memory, not.
Exactly - I'm not convinced.*cough* Potter *cough*
Look how well that went down at Chelsea….
So what? How does a clean sheet for Inter last season help United or Cameroon today? It doesn't. It shows that Onana potentially can play much better, but he doesn't right now. So he is benched for Cameroon who don't have a full season but a short tournament and need to play the best right now and don't have time to "play him into form" or whatever.Inter Milan goalkeeper, Andre Onana, has earned himself the golden glove of the just-ended UEFA Champions League for being an outstanding keeper throughout the competition this season, despite his side’s 0-1 defeat to Manchester City in the final.
The 27-year-old Cameroonian finished the competition with the most clean sheets (8) in 13 games and equally made the most number of saves in the competition to earn the best keeper of the Champions League. Yeah folk were dead against getting him in the summer from memory, not.
Its weird how desperate some people are to defend players and managers. he has major flaws, which should have been obvious to all (other than ETH who oversaw his development). The champions league is a strange animal and teams/ players can look much better for periods, just look at Galatasaray. It needs to be repeated, he was available on a free the summer before last. ETH and the recruitment team cannot fail to have known that, just as it was 100% clear that DDG was fading and could never be comfortable with the ball. Sign him on a free, good deal and less pressure. Pay huge fee and wages, very bad dealStat peddling means nothing. Let's not forget that the keeper we had won the golden glove in the PL last season, yet was deemed not good enough.
What I know about Onana is what I've watched week in week out from the Stretford end. A calamity in waiting that's as ineffective with his feet as he is with his hands. The entire stadium feels the nerves every time the ball is near him and his fabled passing ability is yet to be demonstrated at Utd. John O"Shea was more composed between the posts.
Getting back to the thread topic, I made the flippant comment that Song could replace Hag, but I'm dead serious when I say any other goalkeeper in the football league could replace Onana, he's the rock upon which ETH's Utd career will perish and if Braislford & Co mean business, he'll be handed back his magic gloves and sent packing back to Milan quick smart.
Have you Sommer's numbers this season? Inter are one of the best teams in the world defensively. Onana was facing 3 shots per game and letting 1 in, he's now facing 5 and letting 2 in.Inter Milan goalkeeper, Andre Onana, has earned himself the golden glove of the just-ended UEFA Champions League for being an outstanding keeper throughout the competition this season, despite his side’s 0-1 defeat to Manchester City in the final.
The 27-year-old Cameroonian finished the competition with the most clean sheets (8) in 13 games and equally made the most number of saves in the competition to earn the best keeper of the Champions League. Yeah folk were dead against getting him in the summer from memory, not.
No it doesn't Onana signed a pre-contract with Inter earlier that year when United weren't particularly in the market for a goalkeeperIts weird how desperate some people are to defend players and managers. he has major flaws, which should have been obvious to all (other than ETH who oversaw his development). The champions league is a strange animal and teams/ players can look much better for periods, just look at Galatasaray. It needs to be repeated, he was available on a free the summer before last. ETH and the recruitment team cannot fail to have known that, just as it was 100% clear that DDG was fading and could never be comfortable with the ball. Sign him on a free, good deal and less pressure. Pay huge fee and wages, very bad deal
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