City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches

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Soon they will sign a new commercial partnership valued a few billion quid with an arab company named Al sharikat Al muzayafa.
 

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Forgive me, I was some way through a rather extensive reply and deleted it as this subject hugely comes down to what you believe in and what you expect, or wish, the outcomes to be based on that. There's a lot of idealism on one side and cynicism on the other, even down to what the fans deserve or can expect to see.
 

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Oh ffs, some people on this site need to take their tin foil hats off.
Blogger paid by country, famous for paying celebrities to promote their country, to promote their country and help the transaction of a purchase designed to promote their country.

It's hardly fecking JFK getting whacked by Elvis, is it?
 

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City won't release the info to the body investigating them so I seriously doubt United have somehow got the inside track on what's been going. Or that he himself would just offer up the info and his role.

More likely United, like everybody else, know there won't be any individuals held accountable. It'll be City the club punished.
Do you think, if it’s already confirmed, no individuals will be punished that it’s a way to help the PL case against the club? If there’s no threat of individual sanctions it may be a lot easier to get the information needed to nail City.
 

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Do you think, if it’s already confirmed, no individuals will be punished that it’s a way to help the PL case against the club? If there’s no threat of individual sanctions it may be a lot easier to get the information needed to nail City.
Yeah possibly. Could be part of the deal and negotiations which will no doubt be going on.

These things usually begin with an agreement there has to be a punishment and so then let's negotiatie a punishment we can all agree on that ticks the boxes.

Unfortunately at these levels the perpetrator gets a say in what their punishment is. I'd be absolutely amazed if any individuals get called out.
 

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The government cant overrule the Premier League as that would be a breech of FIFA rules which ban government involvement in Football.

The Bristish Government have spent a lot of money of gaining the rights to host Euro 2028 so I cant imagine they would want to risk England getting a FIFA Suspension which would likely see Britain stripped of those hosting rights.
They’d just do it quietly and off the record. Couple quiet conversations about making it go away and job done. It’s literally happening constantly!
 

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Forgive me, I was some way through a rather extensive reply and deleted it as this subject hugely comes down to what you believe in and what you expect, or wish, the outcomes to be based on that. There's a lot of idealism on one side and cynicism on the other, even down to what the fans deserve or can expect to see.
No worries and yes, I agree with you.
 

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Unfortunately at these levels the perpetrator gets a say in what their punishment is. I'd be absolutely amazed if any individuals get called out.
Juve's recent case for 'false accounting' saw most of the main culprits (Agnelli, Paratici, Nedved among others) get banned from working in football varying 8-30 months. Paratici didn't even work at Juventus anymore but had to step down from his role at Spurs because of the ban.

If City's charges are proven and the club gets hit with some serious punishments, I don't see how any of the individuals high enough in the food chain could walk away with no personal charges against them.
 

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Juve's recent case for 'false accounting' saw most of the main culprits (Agnelli, Paratici, Nedved among others) get banned from working in football varying 8-30 months. Paratici didn't even work at Juventus anymore but had to step down from his role at Spurs because of the ban.

If City's charges are proven and the club gets hit with some serious punishments, I don't see how any of the individuals high enough in the food chain could walk away with no personal charges against them.
I think the difference is that our authorities haven't really got the stomach to go that far. Maybe I'm being pessimistic but in this country we specialise in making it look like we're serious about an issue when really we're not. It's like MP's in front of a select committee. It's just a performance.

On top of that there's the broader influence City's owners have across the country.
 

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When TeamViewer sponsored United their offer was greater than the value of their company. Did anyone even care? The rules are different for United
Is this claim actually true, TeamViewer is currenty valued at £2.4b so its really hard to believe that when they agreed to sponsor us back in March 2021 their offer was greater than their companies value when the offer was only £235m.
 

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Not that I'm a lawyer or familiar with these laws, but I am guessing that perhaps they could not go after City for the same issues after the CAS threw it out?
It is a bit strange that UEFA decided not to appeal the CAS decision when their lawyers advised them they should
 

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It is a bit strange that UEFA decided not to appeal the CAS decision when their lawyers advised them they should
Perhaps, but maybe they thought it would be a waste of resources? If CAS threw it out the first time then maybe UEFA assumed they would again. I am just guessing here. UEFA are certainly as bad as FIFA, but I don't think they have any incentive to go easy on city. Prestige is very important to UEFA, and is one of the very few things keeping the looming super league at bay. If they could have, I am sure they would have wanted to throw the book hard at city to show that they are still in control of things.
 

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Perhaps, but maybe they thought it would be a waste of resources? If CAS threw it out the first time then maybe UEFA assumed they would again. I am just guessing here. UEFA are certainly as bad as FIFA, but I don't think they have any incentive to go easy on city. Prestige is very important to UEFA, and is one of the very few things keeping the looming super league at bay. If they could have, I am sure they would have wanted to throw the book hard at city to show that they are still in control of things.
The thing is 2 of the 3 people on the CAS panel were chosen by City so at least if UEFA had have appealed to the Swiss Court the appeal would have heard by a fully independent panel.
 

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Is this claim actually true, TeamViewer is currenty valued at £2.4b so its really hard to believe that when they agreed to sponsor us back in March 2021 their offer was greater than their companies value when the offer was only £235m.
That can be looked up very easily. Revenue for 2020 was 460m. IPO in 2019 valued the company at just over €5bn.
 

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Fecking hell what a muppet :lol:
Used to listen to the United Stand religiously until around a year ago when they posted a show entitled “Kane Bid!!”. Clearly implied that we were moving for Harry Kane. Then the show started and it was “so COULD we make a bid for Kane?” And “Would Harry Kane come to is IF we made a bid”.
Then when he was called out on it called everyone idiots if that was what they assumed.
 

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Used to listen to the United Stand religiously until around a year ago when they posted a show entitled “Kane Bid!!”. Clearly implied that we were moving for Harry Kane. Then the show started and it was “so COULD we make a bid for Kane?” And “Would Harry Kane come to is IF we made a bid”.
Then when he was called out on it called everyone idiots if that was what they assumed.
Yeah they are at it again today with the United agree 34 million transfer thumbnail BS
 

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Is this claim actually true, TeamViewer is currenty valued at £2.4b so its really hard to believe that when they agreed to sponsor us back in March 2021 their offer was greater than their companies value when the offer was only £235m.
They were valued at $2.71 billion in 2021, they're currently worth less than that. So the claim is simply not factual.
 

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Used to listen to the United Stand religiously until around a year ago when they posted a show entitled “Kane Bid!!”. Clearly implied that we were moving for Harry Kane. Then the show started and it was “so COULD we make a bid for Kane?” And “Would Harry Kane come to is IF we made a bid”.
Then when he was called out on it called everyone idiots if that was what they assumed.
Getting tricked by obvious clickbait at this point isn't something I'd readily admit. It's simply part of the business model, has been for many years.
 

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Getting tricked by obvious clickbait at this point isn't something I'd readily admit. It's simply part of the business model, has been for many years.
As I said I listened to all the shows. Didn’t click for the title. Was listening regardless. Wasn’t “tricked” into anything.
 

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the most blatant corruption in top level sports, being allowed to dull and fade by time.
 

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Wonder how Troyes fans feel? Their club is just a vehicle to further the ambitions of a vanity project.
 

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So he was just on loan at Girona? So they are buying him from Troyes?
 

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Why is the tweet specifically calling the parent club Girona when the mass view is that the parent is Troyes? It's an odd thing to specifically call out - nobody reported Bayern buying Kane from his parent club Spurs. Feels shady.
 

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So he was just on loan at Girona? So they are buying him from Troyes?
A player from a Ligue 2 club who's spent the last 2 seasons "on loan" at top division clubs in other countries, then moves to one of the best teams in Europe, without ever having played for his real parent club in Ligue 2.

It has to be about getting around work permit rules, at the very worst it's basically just human trafficking.
 

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City aren’t content with historical nefarious activities; they are even now, flagrantly taking the piss and keeping themselves in the spotlight at a time when they should be keeping as low a profile as humanly possible.

You’d normally say this beggars belief, but with City, it’s just par for the course.
 

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A player from a Ligue 2 club who's spent the last 2 seasons "on loan" at top division clubs in other countries, then moves to one of the best teams in Europe, without ever having played for his real parent club in Ligue 2.

It has to be about getting around work permit rules, at the very worst it's basically just human trafficking.
Are you suggesting Man City would resort to nefarious dealings to circumvent the rules of football?

Surely not.