12 would be a great achievement. He'd have to be scoring at slightly over a 1 in 2 ratio from here on in. It's possible, but from where he was just 6 weeks ago, even if he reached 10, it would represent great progress. Think I'll play it relatively safe and go with 10
Of course it is, looking back at it now. But at the time, Smalling and Jones were regarded by many as a future regular England centre half pairing and Rafael had just played 40 times in Fergie's last season. Considering TAA might soon be seen as a CM more regularly than a RB , it's not too outlandish to say that at the time, we might have been as confident in Rafael, Jones and Smalling as you are in TAA, Konate and Robbertson now.
I agree with your point in general, but need to question the description on that line. You should have been 2 or 3 down at half time, opened the scoring late due to an own goal then sealed it in injury time as we were chasing the game.You mean Konate, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo who have already proven that they are quality players outside of Liverpool?
Also so narrow-minded to pick out the Arsenal game as "a glimpse of what the attack looks like without Salah". Without Salah:
- We comfortably won at Arsenal and scored 2
- Put 4 past Bournemouth at their place
- Put 5 past Norwich at home
- Put 4 past Chelsea at home
But of course you chose to single out the Arsenal game
"Comfortably" might be too strong a wording I guess, but you didn't really trouble us too much as far as I can remember. A few chances before HT yes (Odegaard his the crossbar?) but don't deserve to win anyway if you don't put those away imo.
First they aren’t even in CL this year. Without Klopp they will struggle to keep the high pace and it all stands with that.
I'd argue Salah isn't a clutch player. He never shows up in cup finals. Losing Mane was a bigger blow in that regard. Always showed up for those occasions.
Strange how they are challenging for the PL this season then. Last season can happen any side, it's the bounce back that matters, pre that and this season have shown Liverpool are a top side. New midfield is a huge upgrade already. Salah and VVD have been amazing but both pass their lofty peaks, both a bit slower, expected. Liverpool have shown that the rest of the team can step up when Salah is unavailable, if we get £100-150m for him at this point in his career, that is great money to reinvest wisely hopefully. Konate has been better than VVD in some games they've played together this season, a good position to be in to bring a new CB in if VVD does leave. It's still a very strong side and I think most people would expect the new manager to be able bring in another couple of top players, plenty to be excited about as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe but I always found Salah a bastard, games that would be tight and you'd create little and he'd get one chance and stick it away clinically.
Im not sure how the new midfield is a huge upgrade, Mac Allister seems to contribute very little other than shots straight at the keeper from the distance, Endo was a pannic buy and is bang average, and Szabozlai looked good in his early games but hasnt really stood out in any of the recent games ive seen and doesnt look to be worth the £70m they paid for him.
I think your weakest link is the midfield. Non of them is good enough without total press football. And I struggle to see a new manager with his own tactics will bring the same to the table. I am a huge admire of Klopp, and I really think he is the key to a massive over performing by the players. They can run, press and try a quick pass to a fast frontline. But the midfield show their weakness in so many games.
Mac Allister has been great since coming back from injury. Struggled a fair bit before that.
It's not an amazing midfield, it's a 7/10 compared to what you had last season. It's actually nowhere near as good as Fabinhp Wijnaldum Henderson was
When they were playing together, they were labelled water carriers who benefited from the system and were barely startable outside of Klopp's system, especially Wijnaldum and Henderson. Now that we've moved on from them and brought in a completely new midfield which performs just as well, suddenly Fabinho/Wijnaldum/Henderson was so much better than what we currently have?
That's great and all but I didn't label them that. They were all excellent to legendary at Liverpool. Mac Allister and Szobo have a long way to go to ever match them. Just because they are a bit more silky on the ball doesn't make them as good as them, let alone better.
They were/are legendary because they were part of the team that won everything, not because they were great, great players or anything like that. Fully agree that Mac Allister and Szoboszlai have a long way to go to match their achievements or status at the club, but comparing them individually, they are already better players than those former two or at the very least have the capacity to become better players, if one doesn't believe they currently already are.
Not sure what more we could've done. Caicedo stuck to his word which he already had given to Chelsea, and Lavia had personal reasons (read: money imo) to chose them over us. We did everything we could in that process, can't force a player to join a club... If you wanna put blame on the club in that whole saga, it's for not acting sooner and scooping up Caicedo before he committed to Chelsea, but no idea when that actually happened - we might've been too late in any case.
They have Endo.
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All that makes me think is that the Arteta stuff actually did play on his mind and he felt the need to make reference to it. What a gimp.Thought this type stuff wasn't on after winning a game........
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Not even 7 days after the sh*tfit from some of them in the media
I thought you weren't allowed to post vids of fistingThought this type stuff wasn't on after winning a game........
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Absolutely.
You must not be on Twitter, they're easily the most universally despised fanbase in the UK for shit like "we invented celebrating" and calling everyone south of Merseyside Tories, among other things.
Oh definitely. Surprised , in all his time there, he's had a charmed life with his opposition. SAF would've loved playing mind games with that a guy.
Klopps been in the prem for 9 years, yet the first time I became aware there’s an actual rule for cumulative yellow cards was when Ten Hag served a touchline ban - the most placid man in the league!
Normalise acting like a prat and refs just take that as how you are
Fergie did it when Ambramovich came in and financially doped Chelsea. Granted he didn’t have it all his own way but we still competed and won many trophies.
And I think all on this forum would agree that Fergie was on his own level compared to most he was competing against. He was the manager that could squeeze water out of stone, making mediocre players seem like world class.
PL class surely? None of those players, or Ferguson himself, won more than 2 CLs in TWENTY (20) years of being in the competition. To be considered world class as manager or player you'd need to include other stuff from the 'world'.
How many CLs have Klopp and Pep won?
When it come to Fergie, it's "he only won 2 CL in 20 years."
Pep must be coming up close to 20 years himself as well and he’s literally been the manager of the favourites each year!
