Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)

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Always seems to leave clubs on a bitter note...I really rated him around the time of the Chelsea CL win but the toxicity would make me very wary.
I’m kinda surprised he lasted less there than he did with us and he was only with us for like 18 months.
 

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Keeping him until the end of the season seems like an absolute cluster feck of a decision.
Gotta use the time to find a pen for Alonso to sign with, if we can get him. The board will probably assume he will come, just like I assumed that my ex didn't "actually" want to break up with me and then be fecking fecked once next season starts.
 

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If they're going to keep him until the end of the season I don't understand why they would announce he it now. They have a coach who now might truly not give a feck about what he's doing there.
There's also a long way to go in the season, what happens if HE gets them on the right track and they start improving significantly, but now they've already sacked him.
 

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If they're going to keep him until the end of the season I don't understand why they would announce he it now. They have a coach who now might truly not give a feck about what he's doing there.
There's also a long way to go in the season, what happens if HE gets them on the right track and they start improving significantly, but now they've already sacked him.
So they can start making moves for Alonso in the hope of destabilising their rivals title push.
 

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If they're going to keep him until the end of the season I don't understand why they would announce he it now. They have a coach who now might truly not give a feck about what he's doing there.

There's also a long way to go in the season, what happens if HE gets them on the right track and they start improving significantly, but now they've already sacked him.
I think he pissed off the wrong people. A continued working relationship is probably not possible there any longer.

Ten Hag should be worried.
 

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I think he pissed off the wrong people. A continued working relationship is probably not possible there any longer.

Ten Hag should be worried.
If Ineos have plan to replace Ten Hag with Tuchel then maybe we should be worried too as United's Supporters .
 

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If they're going to keep him until the end of the season I don't understand why they would announce he it now. They have a coach who now might truly not give a feck about what he's doing there.
There's also a long way to go in the season, what happens if HE gets them on the right track and they start improving significantly, but now they've already sacked him.
Same situation Juup Heynckes was in January 2013. Lame duck but won the treble

Tuchel for Buli and CL
 

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I’d try and get Alonso in if I was them. A step up for a manager that would deserve it and in the same league.
 

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I think he pissed off the wrong people. A continued working relationship is probably not possible there any longer.

Ten Hag should be worried.
Why should Ten Hag be worried? Hope you’re not suggesting we should hire Tuchel. The guys a joke and will just cause trouble. If he can’t challenge with Bayern and 1 of the best ST in the world then what hope does he have.
 

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If Ineos have plan to replace Ten Hag with Tuchel then maybe should be worried too as United's Supporters .
According to The Athletic, Tuchel was reportedly dissatisfied over his increased involvement in Chelsea's day-to-day transfer activity as a result of the dismissals of club director Marina Granovskaia and technical advisor Petr Čech (with whom Tuchel had a strong working relationship); Tuchel was said to have delegated his presence at recruitment meetings to his agent.
A manager that doesn't want to be involved with day to day recruitment issues, that would rather see a dof do that job, has a very high win percentage, is a very good tactician, and has won multiple trophies - while having a demanding personality - sounds pretty much exactly what they would want.

Why should Ten Hag be worried? Hope you’re not suggesting we should hire Tuchel. The guys a joke and will just cause trouble. If he can’t challenge with Bayern and 1 of the best ST in the world then what hope does he have.
Let's wait and see how the season ends. Kane has 25 in 22, so I'm not sure you could say Tuchel isn't getting enough out of him.
 

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A manager that doesn't want to be involved with day to day recruitment issues, that would rather see a dof do that job, has a very high win percentage, is a very good tactician, and has won multiple trophies - while having a demanding personality - sounds pretty much exactly what they would want.


Let's wait and see how the season ends. Kane has 25 in 22, so I'm not sure you could say Tuchel isn't getting enough out of him.
I said as United's Supporters we should be worried because Tuchel teams play how to put this politely shit on stick football more often than not and you sure aren't winning the league with that dour and uninspiring football might get some success in Cup competitions if we are lucky but nothing more .

So if he happens to be Ineos big idea of getting things right on the field then We sure should be worried .
 

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Seems a talented but abrasive character. Bayern run their club like a proper big, big club. They have standards and don't let things just linger and become normalised.. I admire that about them, and Real Madrid too.

He'll get another big job.. if he can temper his ego and prickly nature, he could do v well somewhere.
 

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If Alonso has the choice, he'd be an absolute fool to choose this mess over Liverpool.
This mess is still the best team in the league and capable of attracting top tier players. Their squad is better than Liverpool’s for me, despite recent underperformances of still winning title races.

I think he would be an even bigger fool to go to Liverpool post-Klopp and a midfield of Endo and Mac Allister and have to rely on Darwin, Diaz and an injury-prone Jota, with fans expectation being potential 90 point seasons.

Liverpool’s squad really isn’t that good, and I think we will see that upon Klopp’s exit.
 

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I think it's ridiculous that the likes of Muller still have this much influence on the team. It's not going to be easy for any coach to significantly reduce their minutes without them kicking up a stink. Move them on.
 

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I think it's ridiculous that the likes of Muller still have this much influence on the team. It's not going to be easy for any coach to significantly reduce their minutes without them kicking up a stink. Move them on.
I really don't see what Müller is supposed to have done.
 

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I don't know. Just read an article where they suggested he fell out with Muller over playing time.
Tuchel fell out with almost everyone Deligt, Sane Kimmich Goretzka Gnabry everyone not named Upamecano
 

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What could tempt him enough to sign for Bayern that didn't tempt him enough when Madrid came calling?
Back then the title with Leverkusen wasn't likely yet, now it's only yours to loose.

If he wins the double with Leverkusen, it's the ideal time to leave on a high.
Then he won everything he can, it's only down from there as you won't be able to keep the team together or even further strengthen it.
 
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I think it's ridiculous that the likes of Muller still have this much influence on the team. It's not going to be easy for any coach to significantly reduce their minutes without them kicking up a stink. Move them on.
Muller has nothing to with the demise of Tuchel. This guy alienated Kimmich, De Light, Gnabry and Tel. To name just 4
 

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I’m kinda surprised he lasted less there than he did with us and he was only with us for like 18 months.
His man management skills are poor. He fell out with too many players (Müller, Goretzka, Kimmich, de Ligt).
Thus Bayern had to decide to back the manager, like Arsenal did with Arteta, and let half of the team go or change the manager.
 

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Are Bayern just suffering from a lack of German talent? Normally they'd poach the best German players but these days are the top German players that good? At international level they've been floundering.

What's more, they aren't bringing in top quality international players for the most part (a few exceptions). The weakness of the league can cover up for what they lack but they got off lucky last year and now it seems they are getting found out.
I think they've had a fair few seasons of bad decision making which are coming to a head. They've always been seen as the "well run club" but they've been on a gradual slope downward for a while.
 

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Back then the title with Leverkusen wasn't likely yet, now it's only yours to loose.

If he wins the double with Leverkusen, it's the ideal time to leave on a high.
Then he won everything he can, it's only down from there as you won't be able to keep the team together or even further strengthen it.
Ancelotti extended 1.5 months ago. We were already on track to win the Bundesliga and the cup at that point in time. I'd say you're too late but you probably never really had a chance to begin with once Madrid came calling.
 

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Yes but I think Bayern took care of it themselves this team or at least contributed to it. Seems like a toxic environment right now. Last season, they fired a coach who was still in all three competitions because he was one point behind in the table. This season, they fire a coach who has collected the most points after 22 games in the last 8 years or so after ignoring all his feedback on the squad completely.

I don't see which available coach could live up to those expectations.
It’s clearly not about points on the table with Bayern. If they feel they can’t work with a coach, if the coach isn’t quite on the same page, or this current coach has no chance of winning the CL in the next 3 seasons, then the coach goes and the Bayern machine rumbles on.

They’ve successfully monopolised the BL and only lose it when they allow another team to win it. Their aim is to sign some of the best players in Europe and win the CL as often as possible. In the pursuit of doing that they will swap and change managers until they find a great coach with the right mindset. If you have a great setup like they do, and you don’t move on a coach that everyone feels isn’t quite up to it you just lower expectations and standards, then you end up like United and everything gets worse year on year.
 

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Ancelotti extended 1.5 months ago. We were already on track to win the Bundesliga and the cup at that point in time.
1,5 months ago not many would have put their money on Leverkusen to eventually win the league. Actually even 10 days ago most expected Bayern to go to Leverkusen and win.

I'd say you're too late but you probably never really had a chance to begin with once Madrid came calling.
Ancelotti signed until 2026. That's 2 years. Alonso definitely won't stay another 2 years at Leverkusen. Can't see that at all.