when ETH saw the figures being thrown around for him he should have stepped in. He'd worked with him previously, he knew he wasn't an 80 million player, In these days of FFP where we don't have an endless pot of money to spend on players, that money could have been spent better elsewhere. Ironically his position is now being filled by a player we already had in Garnacho. A lot of people messed up in this transfer but ETH played his part also.20 - 30 million and we are lucky in my opinion. Gigantic loss which I don't put on ETH as he played for him previously. Someone should have overruled the transfer and set the bar for the fee much lower.
I would try and sell him back to Ajax.Genuinely have no clue who would even take him. He's been utterly useless. Would Ajax even want him back?
How we greenlit this transfer I'll never know. We spunked £86m and offered wages 10x what he was on for what? A decent season in the Dutch league?
I think a Ligue 1 or BL club can use him, Memphis was pretty similar physically and he made a decent career for himself at LyonWhere, though? A move back to Ajax? Saudi? Turkiye is too early and won't offer enough.
Somebody should have thought of that when we paid 86M for a 25M gamble and skyrocketed his salary 10xCan we realistically get rid of him? No one is going to be paying us any where near his book value and no one is going to give him £200k a week either.
At the a club the size of United, a manager isn't involved in the negotiations of transfer fees. John Murtough should have done his job properly rather than expecting someone below him to intervene and help set a limit on transfer fees.when ETH saw the figures being thrown around for him he should have stepped in. He'd worked with him previously, he knew he wasn't an 80 million player, In these days of FFP where we don't have an endless pot of money to spend on players, that money could have been spent better elsewhere. Ironically his position is now being filled by a player we already had in Garnacho. A lot of people messed up in this transfer but ETH played his part also.
Don’t forget, Elanga is doing well too.when ETH saw the figures being thrown around for him he should have stepped in. He'd worked with him previously, he knew he wasn't an 80 million player, In these days of FFP where we don't have an endless pot of money to spend on players, that money could have been spent better elsewhere. Ironically his position is now being filled by a player we already had in Garnacho. A lot of people messed up in this transfer but ETH played his part also.
iirc, EtH famously once mentioned something about Pep under estimating the physicality and pace of the premier league in his first season - or something along those lines. I mean, with that type of insight before you start your job, how dumb do you have to be to not heed that warning?Probably the worst ever PL signing.
Shocking that ETH previously managed him and still thought it was a good idea.
I guess $$$ his sons agency was due to make from the deal took precedence.iirc, EtH famously once mentioned something about Pep under estimating the physicality and pace of the premier league in his first season - or something along those lines. I mean, with that type of insight before you start your job, how dumb do you have to be to not heed that warning?
He's the most to blame as he knew the player best and deemed him good enough for the PL.20 - 30 million and we are lucky in my opinion. Gigantic loss which I don't put on ETH as he played for him previously. Someone should have overruled the transfer and set the bar for the fee much lower.
Me too, at a certain point I should just accept my eye for talent is questionable at best.Another one I got wrong. Thought he was excellent when I saw him play for Ajax.
I accept the allegations will be part of his poor performances, but I wonder if the long term injuries he got before and after joining United have had an effect on his body
Crap player though he is, Antony doesn't strike me as someone who would be happy to sit here and just collect his wages while just recycling loan moves. This is of course based on totally nothing besides my own imagination, but I can see him as someone who would be willing to take a pay cut and some kind of subsidy/payoff from the club to get a permanent move elsewhereThis is one of those where it'll be loan after loan and us covering his wages. Crazy that we gave him 200k per week and that transfer fee.
This is exactly what our new CEO said is his way.I hope that this signals the club is willing to shift underperforming players on faster now, rather than having them here “to see if they come good”
Some players are quite clearly not up to it, and if you’ve been crap for two seasons, then you should be moved on
I don't care if they sulk or not. We do not need another Martial scenario where he just hangs out the length of his contract since no one else will pay the exuberant wages that we have shelled out of the past 5 years. If you're not good enough, then you go. That has to be the standard. I could understand keeping him if he could contribute anything off the bench but Amad and even Pellistri look miles better when subbed on.Doesn’t matter what the fee is, he absolutely has to leave in the summer to set a marker by the new owners. You can’t just leave him sulking around the place because he cost too much. Clear messages have to be sent to everyone that it doesn’t matter how much you cost or how much you earn, if you’re shit and you don’t perform you’re gone and you’re gone fast. Raise the standards.
Unless we pay up his contract or massively subsidise his wages, he’ll be here next season. This is the old Maguire scenario but even worse.@Fortitude will be gutted
Our best option is to hope the Saudi league will take him off our hands but I doubt they would pay $50 mil for him.It has a direct impact on what we can spend in the summer. The moment we sell him any difference between the current book value and the fee we receive become profit/loss, so if we get rid for £30m, that’s a £15m hole in our FFP account for the year, or a £50-60m signing.
A loan is the best solution, let’s say we subsidize half his wage (~4m), we save as much on our account for the year, the season after his book account drop to £34m ish and if he has a decent loan, we can fetch as much or more than currently without it affecting our ability to spend.
It's shocking how United does business regarding transfers. We can't buy properly, sell properly or give proper wages. And that's been a case ever since we opted not to buy Fellaini in July only to come back for him on deadline day a pay much more money. Other clubs probably see as as biggest suckers around.He was on £19k per week at Ajax. Whose fecking idea was it to 10x his salary when he was desperate to come?!
I've never understood this about us. It's like we congratulate players for making it by giving them a huge salary.He was on £19k per week at Ajax. Whose fecking idea was it to 10x his salary when he was desperate to come?!
Exactly. Based on his previous salary and desperation to come, he'd have snapped our hand off at 50/60k you'd imagine. Boils my blood we absolutely just piss money away like that and now we're starting to pay the price with being unable to shift them on those salaries and PSR/FFP being more of an issue!I've never understood this about us. It's like we congratulate players for making it by giving them a huge salary.
Just bloody pay them the minimum to come. We might lose a few to other clubs but it'll serve us better in the long run.
This ignores the impact of wages and next year's amortization, so the breakeven point would be significantly lower.He was bought for £86m 2 years ago at the end of the season and got a 5 year contract, that means he has a value to us of £51.6m meaning if we sell him for less than that we will be damaging our FFP, it will actually become tighter so there is no way to sell him yet - The most sensible option is to send him on a loan.
People only hang around when there's no pressure for them to leave. I highly doubt the new management will allow what's happened under old management to continue. They'll be shipped out on loan (at our expense) to some shite league and team at the very least before they allow them to sit on the bench and draw a massive salary.Unless we pay up his contract or massively subsidise his wages, he’ll be here next season. This is the old Maguire scenario but even worse.
Good playerWouldn't trade him for Alireza Jahanbakhsh.
But whatever happens, it’ll be heavily at our expense because literally nobody will take on his costs, so shipped out on loan or not, we’ll be footing the bill.People only hang around when there's no pressure for them to leave. I highly doubt the new management will allow what's happened under old management to continue. They'll be shipped out on loan (at our expense) to some shite league and team at the very least before they allow them to sit on the bench and draw a massive salary.
I'd take it. Even if we don't bring anyone in (which we should), we can play Amad or Forson. I can't see how they could deliver less than Antony.My guess is somewhere like Galatasaray for £12-15m.
