ETH had the style at Ajax that everyone wanted, unfortunately he found out after 2 games the players we have are far away from what he needs to implement that style.
That's exactly what you would do though?
At this point I don't even know what United are anymore to say if the current team is failing or not.
How long do we wait for that great manager though? One season? Two? Three?
There is a third point you should also consider: All of these clubs are in a different situation right now. Which means they likely need (slightly) different skillsets and therefore will have different shortlists/favourites who should take over. United won't be able to get the manager who fits Liverpool best, but that manager probably would not even be the available manager who fits United best, so it doesn't really matter.
I think we are very lucky to be where we are this year, heavily outperforming our expected points and winning many games we should not have won. 6th is definitely not too bad for the level we have played at.
He's bought over 10 players and spent £330m. He's been here for nearly 2 fecking years. Ange has got Spurs playing a very distinct way despite being there for less time having spent less money. How long do give him, and how much more money do we let ten Hag spend before we can expect to see some semblance of a plan?ETH had the style at Ajax that everyone wanted, unfortunately he found out after 2 games the players we have are far away from what he needs to implement that style.
Anyway, I feel like I'm going round in circles on this thread. I'm going for a lie down
The negative goal difference in March might be a bit of a giveaway that ETH is failing to degrees hitherto unseen.
Giveaway the attackers are sub-standard if you ask me...but if we are honest I don't think anyone at the club can really be proud of themselves this season.
We should be aiming to win trophies and knocking City off their perch as SJR said, right? We've finished behind City for 10 seasons running on 11 now. This is not good enough.
At Ajax he was spending like 10x more £ than most of his opposition. He couldn't implement it as the PL is too competitive for him.
Dont forget who signed 3 of those attackers for a combined £220m, gave another one of them a monster contract to be the 3rd best paid player in the league, and made another one of them club captain.
I honestly don't think he's pedigree is stronger. What's apparent is that strength of league is a factor that we might not have considered when looking at the football he played.
Mate give me a break with analogies. Ten Hag isn't an unreliable car, he's a write off at this stage.
I would prefer an ‚unproven‘ manager like Zebri or Amorim over Tuchel/Potter/failed manager at big clubs. Better to take a gamble on a promising manager then settle for something we don‘t really want.
This is it in a nutshell. I could excuse the results this season and persuade myself it's all down to injuries.
He came with a stronger pedigree but almost all of his appeal as a coach went out the window as soon as he admitted he has no interest in reproducing what he did at Ajax here at United. I could accept the teething problems we're experiencing now if we were building towards something and it was part of a grander plan. The reality is this season has been pure chaos and Ten Hag has leant into that rather than steering us away from it.
It makes zero sense to bring in people like southgate/potter/De zerbi either. That is my argument. Pointless spending 10-20m getting rid of ETH and his background staff, to bring in any of those managers.
De Zerbi is a project. Southgate is simply terrible and Frank isnt the required level. You say it isnt hard to find a manager who would improve us. I would love to hear who?
Depends what sort of football ineos want to play. But let's be honest we've been so bad this season that the list of managers who could improve on that wouldn't be short.
Why do you keep saying things like this as if people don't understand your point of view?
The way people are expressing disagreeing with my point didn't indicate any understanding of my point.
Yeah that's not what is happening though.
It isn't though. Jose and Ole got sacked for the teams performance/results in 18/19 and 21/22 respectively. Their previous seasons weren't taken into account.
This is a pretty flawed argument now, since the club has been so poor for a number of years. It doesnt really matter if they havn't wont anything, they just have to get the team playing, gelling, have players responding, make the right signings and have the right backing. With the right backing, and structure in place, a decent manager who's never won anything has more chance of being successful. What had Arteta won before taking over Arsenal? He's turned them into a very good team.
He doesn't have a Ukrainian league title.
If De Zerbi doesn’t have the required pedigree then neither does Ten Hag. Both have won a title in a league deemed to not be in the top five divisions. Ten Hag hasn’t proven he’s better than a midtable manager in the Premier League. He has to prove to us that he is good enough, the same way De Zerbi or Potter do.
I think someone like Amorim could be an interesting option but I know little about him. I agree potentially with people like Potter but I think Tuchel is probably a higher calibre of manager currently than De Zerbi, Ten Hag and Potter. We’d have to be deciding which manager we think will be top a few years from now.
