We are judging 68% of 9 million. (roughly 7 Million) that don't want humanitarian aid inside Gaza being complicit of the genocide and people, among children, to die of starvation if need so.
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As long as it stays a democracy it can change for the better.
You can not call Israel a democracy. They are an ethnocracy, at best case scenario an ethno-democracy, but that is debatable.
I'm not optimistic. The anti-democratic powers in the govenment are still working behind the scenes. Netanyahu is still poisoning everyone against themselves and any institution he can - including the courts, the police, etc. He's an agent of chaos and even when he's gone the healing won't start because there are so many of his devoted fans in the policital system right now.
I can't see a way up from this. I really can't. And that's just about Israel and internal issues.
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We need sanctions and we need them last year.
I'm sorry but your rationale has no basis by way of real life evidence or reality.
The 'terrorist organisation' is a direct reaction to decades of brutal occupation and oppression at the hands of Israelis. When you brutalise and subjugate a whole race of people, of course they will resist. You've stripped these people of pretty much every basic human right, and they live in apartheid conditions. Can you give me one example of where the oppressed just took their subjugation without resisting?
What you're advocating for is the oppressed just...suffer in silence?
I also find it pretty crazy you've absolved the IDF and Israel of any terroristic actions or terrorism themselves - I'm not even going to go back to 1947, but in the last 5 months alone, we've seen first hand the depths of depravity and barbaric behaviour the Israelis are capable of. If they were literally any other nation, they would have been sanctioned long ago.
This is the same TERROIST (not 'terrorist') organisation that when Israel signed the Oslo accords, responding by sending suicide bombers to blow up buses throughout Israel. This was its response to Israel's peace attempts.
I'm not blind to what Israel and the IDF are doing and have been doing for years and decades. It's disgusting, it's terrible. But there's also another side here who is hardly innocent.
Why do you think Hamas came into existence? What was the surrounding context to their creation?
That's the point I'm getting at here. It's all well and good saying Hamas this and that, but they didn't just appear overnight out of a vacuum.
If it doesn't change Israel and it's people will lose. Israel will be judged and eventually shunned.
BBC… “The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has finished building a new road which runs across northern Gaza from east to west, according to satellite images verified by the BBC. The IDF told the BBC they were attempting to gain an "operational foothold", and facilitate the movement of troops and equipment.
But some experts fear it will used as a barrier, preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes in the north.
Others said it appeared to be part of an Israeli plan to remain in Gaza beyond the end of current hostilities.
In February, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveiled a post-war vision in which Israel would control security in Gaza indefinitely. International leaders have previously warned Israel against permanently displacing Palestinians or reducing the size of Gaza.”
To help the movement of troops and equipment … OR to completely cut off Northern Gaza and prevent Palestinians returning to their homes (which will then be given away, if not already bombed to bits). It’s one or the other…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68514821
But some experts fear it will used as a barrier, preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes in the north.
Others said it appeared to be part of an Israeli plan to remain in Gaza beyond the end of current hostilities.
In February, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveiled a post-war vision in which Israel would control security in Gaza indefinitely. International leaders have previously warned Israel against permanently displacing Palestinians or reducing the size of Gaza.”
To help the movement of troops and equipment … OR to completely cut off Northern Gaza and prevent Palestinians returning to their homes (which will then be given away, if not already bombed to bits). It’s one or the other…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68514821
From the maps it runs south of Gaza City. "Runs across Northern Gaza" is not the most accurate description from the BBC.BBC… “The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has finished building a new road which runs across northern Gaza from east to west, according to satellite images verified by the BBC. The IDF told the BBC they were attempting to gain an "operational foothold", and facilitate the movement of troops and equipment.
But some experts fear it will used as a barrier, preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes in the north.
Others said it appeared to be part of an Israeli plan to remain in Gaza beyond the end of current hostilities.
In February, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveiled a post-war vision in which Israel would control security in Gaza indefinitely. International leaders have previously warned Israel against permanently displacing Palestinians or reducing the size of Gaza.”
To help the movement of troops and equipment … OR to completely cut off Northern Gaza and prevent Palestinians returning to their homes (which will then be given away, if not already bombed to bits). It’s one or the other…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68514821
Is that area not called North Gaza?
When I read the headlines, it sounded like this was something that was happening much closer to the border, rather than potentially preventing people from returning to a city which had nearly 600k people living in it.
Not sure which bit you’re referring to. Running east to west across north (they say northERN Gaza) read ok to me when looking at image
No they didn't. But even when Israel tried to make moves towards the Palestenians, and the two-state solution, Hamas responded with violence. What way out is there, then?
Those actions by Hamas in the nineties are a big reason why Israelis lost belief in the possibility of peace and the two-state solution since then. And can you blame them?
Hmm. Wonder why that might be.
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Because Spain is not in the middle east.
Funnily enough, Spain tried something similar in Latin America. The locals didn't like them much either thought.
We still remember bilbau being bombed into the stone age when ETA carried out terrorist attacks. Those pictures of completely demolished basque cities will live forever.
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Exactly. Two genocidal countries. Both of whom have a rich history of doing this. Both countries who are also happy to see young children shot dead on their doorsteps without a care in the world. It's just 'a normal'.
What do Israeli's make of their government tolerating/facilitating funds to Hamas?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
Wonder if there will ever be a time they will be held responsible
No, never
All done so the West Bank would be undermined. Shake the radical hornet's nest in Gaza, intentionally, (or strategically, or whatever war-gamers like to call it), and then Hamas taking the strong-man role within a vacuum wherein response, physical, is called for. All the while Fatah and the general PA are trying to be moderate and losing all support as the West Bank, over the past twenty years (and longer), has become a series of islands due to outright colonization by the Israeli state.
Israel, ever since Camp David, and before if you follow certain lines of argument, has had no intention but to annex the land it is currently ethnically cleansing. It now has a different idea because it understands how impossible that task is (the world just will not tolerate it, and that will include its heaviest backers in America and Europe owing to larger pictures and Chinese/BRIC influence among the Arab League). The West is not what it was which, in part, is why it has reacted so confusingly and spasmodically to recent political events (entirely unsure of itself in an altering geopolitical landscape). Time is not on the side of more "war on terror" and everyone with a few brain-cells knows it.
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The classic "look what you made me do"
Most were fine with it for the most part, as they believed the people who claimed that it would satisfy Hamas, help Gaza and allow us to get on with our lives peacefully.
That's part of the reason why many Israelis refuse to hear about a ceasefire now. After the shock of October, they don't believe in any sort of a deal or an existance that includes Hamas still being around
Let me get this straight. Did Israeli people not think it was a tactic to play the Palestinians off against eachother (PA/Hamas) ?
So the whole world knew why Netanyahu was facilitating and helping Hamas to stay in power, but only Israelis did not understand that? I am sorry, but I do not buy this at all.
Dude come off it. You’re better than spouting this rubbish.
Also if the question was to help Gaza why have they been under a military blockade? Why did they blow up the airport and seaport?
It obviously was a tactic, but I think that the people who were interested in that part were the policitians, starting with Netanyahu.
The average Israeli didn't care the about the tactic, if he even knew or understood it. He was focused on the result - if it gives him peace and quiet, fine, whatever.
That's part of the tragedy, really. The Palestenian problem stopped being an issue for most Israelis as they just assumed the govenment had it sorted, in its own twisted way.
I didn't expect there would be any fallout after Glazer's speech at the Oscars but Zionists continue to show their true faces.
The least amount of condemnation on a world stage from a Jewish person and they go crazy.
The least amount of condemnation on a world stage from a Jewish person and they go crazy.