Option/replacement for Casemiro

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That would help us out significantly if we were interested.
«We are trying to keep to Financial Fair Play while holding on to the best players in our squad. But of course we are not closed off to selling someone if a very good offer comes in and it gives us the possibility to improve our FFP position. We are going to work with respect to the rules.»

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I think they have a f players they could sell that would significantly improve their FFP-position;

- Konsa (2028)
- Watkins (2028)
- Ramsey (2027)
- Luiz (2026)
- Kamara (2027
- Martinez (2027)

Due to lenght of contract, and status in team, I think Luiz and Ramsey is most likely. If they can get a significant fee for Ramsey that might be a get out of jail card that let them keep Luiz.
 

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They both have experience as single pivots in a 4-3-3. Plus currently play the more defensive told in double pivot set ups


He was a pleasant surprise. Hadn't watched him closely till the two legs vs Arsenal. He reminds my of old school German 6 Casten Ranelow. A terrier, with supreme tactical and postional sense. Simple yet flawless in possesion. Yet able to be even more expressive when required. Portugal really knows how to produce pivot players.
Varela had good games against Barca as well - He's definitely tenacious, reminds me a bit of Gattuso / Keane and Ramelow as you mentioned, we could do with 1 or 2 players like that at United. A few clubs are keeping tabs on him (apparently) at the moment though, so we might get priced out. Yeah he's Argentine as another poster mentioned, but it's a Porto / Portuguese league thing where they develop good midfielders bought from South America - e.g. Casemiro was signed from Porto. Fergie back in the day would've liked a signing like this I feel.

Ideally I'd like it if we went for 2 defensive midfielders and sold Casemiro. Palacios / Varela / Caqueret + Onana would be very good. Looking into Palacios though, he seems to have heaps of off-field issues going on :lol: So that might be a bit of a red flag in terms of the player profile we'd want at United. Either way, we'll need at least one CDM if we can't offload Case, and the options we are discussing will all cost around the 50M(+) mark except maybe Caqueret, so it'll be interesting how we utilise our summer spend.
 

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Varela had good games against Barca as well - He's definitely tenacious, reminds me a bit of Gattuso / Keane and Ramelow as you mentioned, we could do with 1 or 2 players like that at United. A few clubs are keeping tabs on him (apparently) at the moment though, so we might get priced out. Yeah he's Argentine as another poster mentioned, but it's a Porto / Portuguese league thing where they develop good midfielders bought from South America - e.g. Casemiro was signed from Porto. Fergie back in the day would've liked a signing like this I feel.

Ideally I'd like it if we went for 2 defensive midfielders and sold Casemiro. Palacios / Varela / Caqueret + Onana would be very good. Looking into Palacios though, he seems to have heaps of off-field issues going on :lol: So that might be a bit of a red flag in terms of the player profile we'd want at United. Either way, we'll need at least one CDM if we can't offload Case, and the options we are discussing will all cost around the 50M(+) mark except maybe Caqueret, so it'll be interesting how we utilise our summer spend.
He'd suit us perfectly then.
 

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Someone in here mentioned Douglas Luiz, and while I at first found it very unlikely, I am starting to think it could be a very likely option:

- His contract is up in 2026. He will either renew or Villa will consider selling,
- Villa will struggle with FFP. They dont have many players with significant sale value and low book value (I assume they will rather try to keep Watkins and homegrown Konsa who both are on long term deals).
- Our new CEO know him well

PL-proven at a high level and is about to enter his peak years (26 to 32).
Arsenal is rumored to be interested in Zubimendi, Douglas Luiz or Amadou Onana to replace Partey, and they will be extremely expensive. It probably depends on who is available on the market this summer.
 
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Varela had good games against Barca as well - He's definitely tenacious, reminds me a bit of Gattuso / Keane and Ramelow as you mentioned, we could do with 1 or 2 players like that at United. A few clubs are keeping tabs on him (apparently) at the moment though, so we might get priced out. Yeah he's Argentine as another poster mentioned, but it's a Porto / Portuguese league thing where they develop good midfielders bought from South America - e.g. Casemiro was signed from Porto. Fergie back in the day would've liked a signing like this I feel.

Ideally I'd like it if we went for 2 defensive midfielders and sold Casemiro. Palacios / Varela / Caqueret + Onana would be very good. Looking into Palacios though, he seems to have heaps of off-field issues going on :lol: So that might be a bit of a red flag in terms of the player profile we'd want at United. Either way, we'll need at least one CDM if we can't offload Case, and the options we are discussing will all cost around the 50M(+) mark except maybe Caqueret, so it'll be interesting how we utilise our summer spend.
Indeed. I just hope pick well. We need two players. One to directly replace Casemiro. A second to replace what Ericksen gives us deep with more defensive ability and legs. If we could get two all rounders in the Mainoo mould for decent prices, I'd be over the moon!
 
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Zubimendi is real cheap for a player of his level. Just £50m
Yes and he is top of the pile for Arteta I guess but with him there is a good chance he may never move or move to Bayern if Alonso moves there.

In any case most would say Luiz is a better pick and we tried to sign him 2 yrs back when Villa rejected our bids. So good chance we try for him again this window. Could see him moving for 70-80m especially if Villa cant make CL.
 

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Based entirely on a couple paragraphs in The Athletic, I now think we should buy Madrid’s youth DM and Captain Mario Martin.
 

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Based entirely on a couple paragraphs in The Athletic, I now think we should buy Madrid’s youth DM and Captain Mario Martin.
Would be an amazing idea. Him and Guido Rodriguez on a free, so we have one short term and one long term DM
 

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Kimmich would be nice but I'm in dream land obviously.

Zubimendi is an interesting one.

I thought Tonali would have been a great option before he went to Milan & obviously has issues these days although is still a quality player with a big potential.
 

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Kimmich would be nice but I'm in dream land obviously.

Zubimendi is an interesting one.

I thought Tonali would have been a great option before he went to Milan & obviously has issues these days although is still a quality player with a big potential.
Apprently, he's not been in great form at Bayern, but he'd my first choice, too. If you think of deep-lying playmakers, there's not better around when he's at the top of his game.

It has been said that he wants a move, but as you'd imagine, there's quite a few clubs interested in him, so it would be hard for us to lure him here, especially if we have no CL football next season.
 

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Apprently, he's not been in great form at Bayern, but he'd my first choice, too. If you think of deep-lying playmakers, there's not better around when he's at the top of his game.

It has been said that he wants a move, but as you'd imagine, there's quite a few clubs interested in him, so it would be hard for us to lure him here, especially if we have no CL football next season.
There is a reason Bayern have been constantly struggling defensively, even though they had Kim, De Ligt and Upamecano as CBs (tbf Upa has always been error prone). Kimmich is a defensive liablity and as a DLP he would bring nothing that Mainoo wouldn't. Not saying we should use Mainoo there but Kimmich is even less fitting than Mainoo on the 6.
 

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Not sure if he is dead certain to go to Liverpool with Slot, but he seems like a great option? Appear to have so many of the qualities we need. Perfect age too!

Thought he looked good on the ball too, but notice that his passing completion (specially on short passes) is not that impressive compared to team average? Also notice he have quite a few involvements in the oponents box. Might be related.

Was there not a Feyenoord-fan in here? Kuytsomething?

The last twelve months we have seen Liverpool signing Endo, Bayern moving towards Palhinha. Not that many good options at DM, but I really think Wieffer make sense!
 

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Not sure if he is dead certain to go to Liverpool with Slot, but he seems like a great option? Appear to have so many of the qualities we need. Perfect age too!

Thought he looked good on the ball too, but notice that his passing completion (specially on short passes) is not that impressive compared to team average? Also notice he have quite a few involvements in the oponents box. Might be related.

Was there not a Feyenoord-fan in here? Kuytsomething?

The last twelve months we have seen Liverpool signing Endo, Bayern moving towards Palhinha. Not that many good options at DM, but I really think Wieffer make sense!
@KirkDuyt

Thoughts on Wieffer?
 

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Wilfred Ndidi... have been saying for seasons we need this guy, I think he has a monster of a season next year if at Leicester or wherever
 

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I think a common issue for some players from Eredivise have been the physical part. Wieffer is obviously a big guy, but does he have pace and agility?
He has pace and he's strong. He can look a bit, erm, bulky at times though. Physically he is strong enough for the premier league, the bigger difference is the speed of play when going from our league to yours. He might adept, but it's very hard to say.

He did well in all our CL ties except the one were Griezmann tore him to bits. But not being able to contain Griezmann isn't that odd.

Not sure Hag should buy yet another Dutchman or Dutch related player though.
 

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We seem to be hot on Neves, but I've felt he's not what we should be spending money on given what we need.

It's a long shot, but the club should really try and get Tchouameni from Real Madrid. I think he's behind the pecking order now, with Camavinga the preferred option. Bellingham will drop deeper now they've signed Mbappe, and you have Modric, Bellingham, Valverde, Camavinga and Tchouameni for 3 positions.

I think we could tempt Real. Ironically, if we signed Tchouameni and Real went and signed Neves, I think it would be a more optimal outcome in terms of needs ie they are replacing Kroos with a more like for like, and we are getting a tailor-made player in a position we are desperate.

I'm probably getting a bit FM 2024 with that transfer hypothetical in fairness. Other than Tchouameni, Douglas Luiz would be a great option, but probably cost a fortune. Nobody else really springs to mind, seems to be a lot of average when you strip out the obvious few.
 

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Not sure if he is dead certain to go to Liverpool with Slot, but he seems like a great option? Appear to have so many of the qualities we need. Perfect age too!

Thought he looked good on the ball too, but notice that his passing completion (specially on short passes) is not that impressive compared to team average? Also notice he have quite a few involvements in the oponents box. Might be related.

Was there not a Feyenoord-fan in here? Kuytsomething?

The last twelve months we have seen Liverpool signing Endo, Bayern moving towards Palhinha. Not that many good options at DM, but I really think Wieffer make sense!
Almost a decade of posting nonsense in the general forum and Kuytsomething is my thanks? I'll fight you!
 

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We should be all over the Palhinha deal if he is available for £38 million to Bayern. Get on it Dan.
That would be Matic and Casemiro all over again, good year or so then needing to replace him before he’s even finished his second season and Palhinha didn’t look anywhere near as good last season as the one before.
 

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This is why we've got Jason Wilcox, remember? He's gonna find us the CDM equivalent to 'The new Mbappe'.

Young players, please.
 

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Fofana for me easily. With needing 4-5 signings on a relatively lower budget a player of this quality relative to his cost can't be passed up. Other clubs will be saying the same thing though.
 

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I think in the short term they might retain Amrabat . They know a young player , especially an overseas one needs grooming into that position . Rodri took 2 seasons .

It might be underwhelming , but he knows the league now and his teammates . I think that counts for a lot .

To me he looks more suited to that loan 6 role than casemiro . Casemiro is too ambitious with his passing and can't cover ground .
 

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Fofana for me easily. With needing 4-5 signings on a relatively lower budget a player of this quality relative to his cost can't be passed up. Other clubs will be saying the same thing though.
Fofana will get torn to shreds in the PL if he doesnt have a "Kante" type runner next to him. Neves and Fofana would make a great combination, but not Fofana and Mainoo.
 

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We seem to be hot on Neves, but I've felt he's not what we should be spending money on given what we need.

It's a long shot, but the club should really try and get Tchouameni from Real Madrid. I think he's behind the pecking order now, with Camavinga the preferred option. Bellingham will drop deeper now they've signed Mbappe, and you have Modric, Bellingham, Valverde, Camavinga and Tchouameni for 3 positions.

I think we could tempt Real. Ironically, if we signed Tchouameni and Real went and signed Neves, I think it would be a more optimal outcome in terms of needs ie they are replacing Kroos with a more like for like, and we are getting a tailor-made player in a position we are desperate.

I'm probably getting a bit FM 2024 with that transfer hypothetical in fairness. Other than Tchouameni, Douglas Luiz would be a great option, but probably cost a fortune. Nobody else really springs to mind, seems to be a lot of average when you strip out the obvious few.
Tchouameni is the automatic starter in that Madrid team :lol:

And Neves is closer to Modric than Kroos.
 

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Brighton are another Dortmund for me.

Players look great in their very well-oiled system, get a big move for big money, and end up being incredibly underwhelming at their new club.

Haaland being the outlier for Dortmund.

Both clubs can feck right off.
 

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Tchouameni is the automatic starter in that Madrid team :lol:

And Neves is closer to Modric than Kroos.
I think he's lost his place as the anchor in midfield because he's spent a lot of time at CB due to injuries. Camavinga is all round better than him in my opinion, and with Bellingham moving deeper and Valverde a key player for them, I could see Tchouameni easily not being first choice.

Neves plays much deeper than Modric (from what I have seen).

I agree it seems like a hell of a long shot, but even the budget options we've been quoted looking at are very underwhelming.
 

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I think he's lost his place as the anchor in midfield because he's spent a lot of time at CB due to injuries. Camavinga is all round better than him in my opinion, and with Bellingham moving deeper and Valverde a key player for them, I could see Tchouameni easily not being first choice.

Neves plays much deeper than Modric (from what I have seen).

I agree it seems like a hell of a long shot, but even the budget options we've been quoted looking at are very underwhelming.
Neves plays deeper yes, but I'm saying their profiles are closer in similarity than Kroos to Neves.

Anyways @giorno is the resident RM expert. You think Tchoumeini loses his place?
 

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Brighton are another Dortmund for me.

Players look great in their very well-oiled system, get a big move for big money, and end up being incredibly underwhelming at their new club.

Haaland being the outlier for Dortmund.
*sigh*
Bellingham?

And please, please can you explain to me the "well-oiled system" Dortmund apparently have? I honestly believe that everybody who claims Dortmund are a "system club" or something like that truly has no idea what he is talking about.