He is terrible. No charisma.Anyone. Who cares. Put them on a 1 year contract and sack them if they're rubbish. Just get rid of Ten Hag already. The charisma vacuum is a miserable excuse for a manager
I remember United refused moving for ETH before for an assistant role to Jose because he didn't have "charisma"He is terrible. No charisma.
You can see the players are not buying him.
On todays Overlap with Neville, Carragher, Keane etc, Rio was on talking about the Moyes days.
They were saying that once the players start doubting in the manager, then its game over.
That happened a long time ago.
I am with you on this mate, same thing I said about Carrick. Ten Hag is shockingly inefficient, I am happy we didn't get away with this undeserved win. Bring in anybody at this time, give them fixed deliverables with one year rolling contracts. That's the way forward please.I'm calling it - the right man for the job is Keiran McKenna.
I don't care that he's relatively inexperienced, he came to United with a reputation as the best young coach in the game and was then derided by morons who wrote him off for reasons unknown - most likely his age / association with OGS / the fact he wasn't a 'big name'.
What he has done with Ipswich shows real talent as a manager. That team has no right to be anywhere near the top of the table and yet they keep winning!
None of the other candidates inspire me and so why not take the chance on a young British coach who already knows the club?
Links to this story? Don't remember it at all.I remember United refused moving for ETH before for an assistant role to Jose because he didn't have "charisma"
What suggests this is the case? not disagreeing per se but I’m not sure this is particularly obvious.He is terrible. No charisma.
You can see the players are not buying him.
On todays Overlap with Neville, Carragher, Keane etc, Rio was on talking about the Moyes days.
They were saying that once the players start doubting in the manager, then its game over.
That happened a long time ago.
This is something I have stated on numerous occasions, this structure is totally unproven beyond not being fully implemented.INEOS are shit scared to sack ETH is my take.
There aren't any outstanding candidates available, and getting the next appointment wrong will really damage belief that they can change things. That belief (the glimmer that's there) is important to agents/players/staff/sponsors who they need to be able to attract and/or keep on side.
If the rumours we are talking to Southgate are try, then we should pack it all in now and fold the club. They will prove themselves to clueless from the off.
Doubt it. Ten Hag isn't their guy. When they came in I'm sure they were expecting to replace him at the end of the season. The only unfortunate thing is Ashworth is presumably the guy who will play a big part in identifying the new manager (along with Wilcox), but both are on gardening leave for a year. So who is responsible for picking out the new guy? I'm sure they're hoping Ten Hag can make it work for another year.INEOS are shit scared to sack ETH is my take.
There aren't any outstanding candidates available, and getting the next appointment wrong will really damage belief that they can change things. That belief (the glimmer that's there) is important to agents/players/staff/sponsors who they need to be able to attract and/or keep on side.
If the rumours we are talking to Southgate are try, then we should pack it all in now and fold the club. They will prove themselves to clueless from the off.
Perhaps Ineos should show some balls and make the decision themselves. If they get it wrong then Ashworth and Wilcox can sack the new guy and find their own man. But keeping Ten Hag is an option that should be taken completely off the tableDoubt it. Ten Hag isn't their guy. When they came in I'm sure they were expecting to replace him at the end of the season. The only unfortunate thing is Ashworth is presumably the guy who will play a big part in identifying the new manager (along with Wilcox), but both are on gardening leave for a year. So who is responsible for picking out the new guy? I'm sure they're hoping Ten Hag can make it work for another year.
It's not showing balls, it's dumb and what the Glazers have repeatedly done. You come in and change the structure finally, nab your #1 targets, but have to wait for them to start. It is what it is. It is absolutely stupid to step over them, and make the biggest decision that these people would make, on their behalf. It's fecking dumb to do that and people have to engage their brains a bit if they think otherwise.Perhaps Ineos should show some balls and make the decision themselves. If they get it wrong then Ashworth and Wilcox can sack the new guy and find their own man. But keeping Ten Hag is an option that should be taken completely off the table
They haven't backed or sacked him as they are leaving their options open by being no committal. As I said I think they are paralyzed by fear.This is something I have stated on numerous occasions, this structure is totally unproven beyond not being fully implemented.
The fans have created this narrative that Erik will come good under the structure when objectively, it's one that we have no tangible evidence of being successful outside of looking at the credentials of the individuals recruited.
I disagree about there not being an outstanding candidate because when you assess the relativity of the present manager by way of his own capabilities there are other managers domestically in the league and Europe who can bring something new to the table.
The most important aspect however is for the hierarchy to identify what they envision and the right managerial candidate who is capable of bringing their ideals into fruition. The fact that no one in club has categorically backed Erik beyond reasonable doubt suggests they don't have confidence in him.
Think this stance is pretty naive. I have no doubt Ashworth will be doing what he can via internal calls to sir Jim and Brailsford to make his input clear, he just won't be able to officially be involved in anything.Doubt it. Ten Hag isn't their guy. When they came in I'm sure they were expecting to replace him at the end of the season. The only unfortunate thing is Ashworth is presumably the guy who will play a big part in identifying the new manager (along with Wilcox), but both are on gardening leave for a year. So who is responsible for picking out the new guy? I'm sure they're hoping Ten Hag can make it work for another year.
Yep he's in my Tier 1 choices with Nagelsmann. Those are the two clear best candidates.There isn’t a particularly obvious candidate out there to replace ETH with.
I don’t know if INEOS would go for it, or whether he’d be interested but my choice at this stage would be Simone Inzaghi. He’s done a great job at Inter, about to win the league, he might be tempted to make the jump to the premier league and us for a new challenge.
I’d be happy with Nagelsmann too but I reckon he will go somewhere else.Yep he's in my Tier 1 choices with Nagelsmann. Those are the two clear best candidates.
Eh, we don't know how this stuff works so it's hard to say how firm these gardening leave clauses are and what counts as working, or what they would risk doing. If they actually are not allowed to go in there and properly work on the recruitment, then I doubt we do anything significant.Think this stance is pretty naive. I have no doubt Ashworth will be doing what he can via internal calls to sir Jim and Brailsford to make his input clear, he just won't be able to officially be involved in anything.
INEOS need to be seen to make the good obvious choices, when it comes to replacing the manager there isn't a standout candidate. At the same time Ten Hag's job is becoming untenable, this put them in a difficult position.
I'm not sure how much that impacts us. Weirdly, I think our job might be more appealing then theirs in some ways.This is made even more complicated by Liverpool being in the market for a manager. There’s a real lack of realistic options though. Can’t imagine ineos would change the whole footballing structure but keep a failing manager they didn’t even employ. It’s just when and who, not if.
No I don't think so, they are leading the Championship at the moment and I don't think he'd leave that for an interim gig at United with a shitshow of a squad.Would McKenna leave mid-season do you think?
I normally worry about managers that weren't great players initially taking the step up to managing a top team (because of the players potentially not respecting them ala Rangnick, not due to doubting their tactical abilities), however McKenna already has experience with the players and is probably more respected at Utd than the average talented young coach without the playing resume to back them up.
Whether we're genuinely interested or not, I'm incredibly impressed with the job he's done at Ipswich.
What if it wasn't interim?No I don't think so, they are leading the Championship at the moment and I don't think he'd leave that for an interim gig at United with a shitshow of a squad.
Agree with this, in much of the way that Liverpool in 2015 was an attractive job for Klopp. And it goes without saying but turning around a club like United makes any manager career legendary much like Klopp's is now.I'm not sure how much that impacts us. Weirdly, I think our job might be more appealing then theirs in some ways.
I think it'd be easier making yourself look good in the United gig under a new ownership structure that want to leave their mark and with actual professionals in charge, given the shite that we've seen for years and the clowns we've had running the show vs. trying to follow Klopp at Liverpool with their stars on their downturn and everything possible already having been squeezed out of that group of players.
He'd probably do it in a heartbeat if offered to full job, but I'd be shocked if that happens as I assume he's a bit down the list of preferred names for INEOS.What if it wasn't interim?
I mean I think the squad changes are a given considering the structure overhaul. We won't operate anything like we have before.Nagelsmann is my choice, but I'd be lying if I saId I truly believe he'd be a success here, especially without proper squad changes.
When Weghorst was brought in and started week in week out no matter how shit he were, I think that's when the doubt started to creep into the dressing room. That was the case for me anyway.He is terrible. No charisma.
You can see the players are not buying him.
On todays Overlap with Neville, Carragher, Keane etc, Rio was on talking about the Moyes days.
They were saying that once the players start doubting in the manager, then its game over.
That happened a long time ago.
If we had McKenna as manager this season, do you think we will lose so many games, score so few, concede so many? I don’t think so. Then, it’s quite clear that our performance this season has reached the lowest of all lows. Appointment of any reasonable candidates is more likely an improvement.Think Nagelsmann is the no brainer hire. Inzaghi would be good as well but he doesn't speak english which is an issue. Tier below them is Amorim, De Zerbi, Potter etc.
Honestly McKenna feels like a bit of a dark horse. He's been brilliant with Ipswich. People will moan about lack of big club experience but meh if we can't get Nagelsmann or Inzaghi he'd at least be a high ceiling hire.
