Who replaces Ten Hag?

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De Zerbi has got to be the guy. Klopp was effusive with his praise for him after the game today.

However the primmadonnas have to be culled from the team. Otherwise no manager will be able to sort this mess out.
 

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De Zerbi has got to be the guy. Klopp was effusive with his praise for him after the game today.

However the primmadonnas have to be culled from the team. Otherwise no manager will be able to sort this mess out.
We've said this with Ten Hag, who ultimately worked for a structure where everything has to be OKed by the Glazers.
Itl hopefully be different for Ratcliffe but being that brutal with the squad doesn't come from the manger freedom alone.
 

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If he is to be replaced it better not be a Pep persuasion. I want a young attacking coach of the heavy metal variety. The era of Pep and his disciples must be destroyed.
Who pissed in your tea? It is obvious that Pep and his disciples play a better variant.
Even Klopp plays in a certain high possession team
 

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De Zerbi for me but I reckon Liverpool take him.
Hes got a long way to go as a coach, too often Brighton look too open in the Premier League. If we are looking for a better structure and less open play then he's not going to be it.
 

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De Zerbi has got to be the guy. Klopp was effusive with his praise for him after the game today.

However the primmadonnas have to be culled from the team. Otherwise no manager will be able to sort this mess out.
They’d be able to get the 4th or 5th fans were deeming acceptable though.

The players in isolation aren’t an issue. Pick one of them & drop them into Spurs or Villa then they’d be part of a decent to good side. The issue is they’re shot as a collection.

People confuse this squads lack of ability with other things too much.
 

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The completely scattergun approach has really worked for us previously, hasn't it
How are McKenna and Carrick the scattergun approach? They are both good candidates, if it doesn’t work out, move onto the next one. It’s not like we’re missing out on the next Pep or Klopp. Having a coach that will leave the transfers up to the scouts and recruitment team, without their ego getting involved, will be a breath of fresh air.
 

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The more I think about this, the more I can see Berrada approaching Someone like Xavi, Naigelsman or Amorim, he won’t want an English coach anywhere near the club.

Xavi is going at end of the season, he’s used to the DoF, CEO telling what to do with players but he’s a great coach, if he finishes runner up this season after wining la liga last year and SF/Final of the CL his stock will be ridiculously high plus he’s arrogant enough to leave Barcelona as he has no transfer budget available.
He‘s leaving because he knows he isn‘t good enough.
 

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How is there such a severe lack of great coaches today? Most are near retirement and the new breed are far and fee between. Others that are available, I've no confidence in them to really push us upwards on the table. How did it get so bad that Jose is the only option that MAYBE can improve us, though it might not be in the best way. Simone is the only coach I can see it improving us. Bringing some fire into the team. Alonso and Ingazhi (spelling?) Are doing well but it's so much harder to see if it works in the PL. Dutch managers should stay away from the PL. Their tactics don't work.
It’s just cyclical. There will be top established managers 4 years from now who are working today but you aren’t following them closely. This bolded bit is why the club have to have people who can do top class due dilligence in picking the next mane (and the one after that) because with all due to respect that is just fan talk - we have limited understanding of the market.

Also we don’t need the “next Pep or Klopp”. Go with the best option available to take us closer to the team we want to be. If our next 3-4 managers do that then we are set. If one of them turns out to be a great then lovely. If not, then hopefully we have still improved a lot and have to continue to do that.
 

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This is why INEOS are trying to put in a coaching system who work with the players selected by football brains in the club. One can sack a manager and feel confident the next coach can play a particular style from a squad that has been built on an identity. At United we bring in different managers with different playing styles and with Ten Hag, most of his players are from the Mourinho/Ole era, where there is an absence of technical and physical players. We as fans are worried that Ten Hag leaving will mean the current crop with get away with it and a new manager will give the same players another ‘chance’. I think Ten Hag should stay for another year whilst the transition of the new footballing brains in the higher levels come in and ‘set up’ a system as mentioned above, where replacing Ten Hag would be easier.
 

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This is why INEOS are trying to put in a coaching system who work with the players selected by football brains in the club. One can sack a manager and feel confident the next coach can play a particular style from a squad that has been built on an identity. At United we bring in different managers with different playing styles and with Ten Hag, most of his players are from the Mourinho/Ole era, where there is an absence of technical and physical players. We as fans are worried that Ten Hag leaving will mean the current crop with get away with it and a new manager will give the same players another ‘chance’. I think Ten Hag should stay for another year whilst the transition of the new footballing brains in the higher levels come in and ‘set up’ a system as mentioned above, where replacing Ten Hag would be easier.
While I agree with you logically— keeping ETH for another season while the system/infrastructure is being built and kicked into place; another year of such insipid, limp football will be very difficult to bear. It will shift the status of being from unbearable to hatred of ETH.
 

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I keep writing off seasons for United. It's getting quite depressing. Just looking for some structure and stability, including in hiring the new manager and when to do so.
 

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How are McKenna and Carrick the scattergun approach? They are both good candidates, if it doesn’t work out, move onto the next one. It’s not like we’re missing out on the next Pep or Klopp. Having a coach that will leave the transfers up to the scouts and recruitment team, without their ego getting involved, will be a breath of fresh air.
Zidane............McKenna, Carrick, then who, Phil Neville?

Is there nobody in the middle?
 

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It's so difficult to choose a manager. We have tried all types.

There were very few dissenting voices when ETH was selected. However in retrospect...

He didn't sign most of his players at Ajax. Most of his players were young and extremely loyal to what ETH was trying to achieve since they were on their 1st or 2nd professional contract. It was also Ajax who were already relatively dominant in a less competitive league.

Finding an up and coming manager to come in risks a groundhog day like experience. We need someone who has strong ideas but is capable to adapt game by game and throughout the season. We need someone who can keep a squad happy and work with different maturities of player including navigating the toxic player/agent briefing on social media and in the press. A lot of these qualities imply that you've "been around the block" a bit and not just had 1-2 good seasons at one club.

I'm not saying the right isn't out there. Noone knew what they were getting with SAF in 1986 when he first arrived. Few thought he was capable of what he achieved.
 

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Ruben Amorim he’s transformed sporting Lisbon and plays good football. Get him in to coach and all the others to recruit good footballers for good prices. Sign them on contracts where if they do well they’ll be hungry for the next level of contract, totally re work the way we sign players.
 

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Top 4 in betting….

Southgate 5/2
Potter 4/1
Tuchel 9/1
Amorim 9/1
 

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Top 4 in betting….

Southgate 5/2
Potter 4/1
Tuchel 9/1
Amorim 9/1
Southgate and Potter being the favourites is absolutely depressing.

The last time Southgate managed in club football he relegated Middlesbrough. He didn't manage again until four years later when the FA threw him a career lifeline by giving him the U-21's job. I think I would give up all hope if we hired him. There's no way Berrada and the INEOS lot who are trying to take us back to the top think he's suitable for the job.
 
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Hes got a long way to go as a coach, too often Brighton look too open in the Premier League. If we are looking for a better structure and less open play then he's not going to be it.
He plays very open but his team also keeps the ball and progresses play far beyond their ability. I’d say only Arsenal, City and sometimes Liverpool consistently recycle and dominate the ball as well in the league.
 

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It's going to be tough getting a replacement with lots of Europes top clubs looking for managers.
 

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Upscaling can be difficult.

"He's done a great job at this relatively small club on the continent, lets see if he can do it here".

If given a say I'd probably want to avoid that profile of manager, maybe unfairly. Odd as it may sound but someone currently or recently highly successful too, unless their success applies here e.g someone who has built the club up and achieved as opposed to simply taking over a highly efficient European machine and simply steered it in a continuous right direction. Given that, I'm probably in the camp of wanting a domestic appointment. Someone with experience within the game domestically, at least. Not bothered about what their nationality is.

The style of play argument I find less persuasive. At least I do now. We really need to move away from this idea that we stopped playing like Fergie's 1994 side 5 minutes ago and expect a return any day now. We've been dreadful for a long-long time. To play slow and boring football deliberately rather than as a consequence of incompetence to achieve anything else, would at least be refreshing.
 

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How are McKenna and Carrick the scattergun approach? They are both good candidates, if it doesn’t work out, move onto the next one. It’s not like we’re missing out on the next Pep or Klopp. Having a coach that will leave the transfers up to the scouts and recruitment team, without their ego getting involved, will be a breath of fresh air.
You mentioned those two and Zidane.

Do these three represent a similar approach to football, do they want to play a similar style and is this style the style you want at united?

If yes it's fine, if no then this is just scattergun trying to sign someone who will do whatever he likes. And I honestly don't know because I don't follow McKenna or Carrick closely.
 

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Top 4 in betting….

Southgate 5/2
Potter 4/1
Tuchel 9/1
Amorim 9/1
It is, but I’m convinced that it won’t even be close to United’s top 4 targets in real life. I repeat again, why would a club claiming it is now football focused and building towards winning titles and CL’s again get Southgate or Potter?

Makes 0 sense. Would be like me saying I want a girlfriend and then chatting up Gary Oldman
 

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Honestly, if we can't get a relatively young manager like Nagelsmann or Xabi Alonso in to start this ' exciting new project' at United then I'd actually be quite happy to have Carlo Ancelotti if Alonso goes to Real Madrid.

He seem's like the only old school manager that hasn't faded out & honestly seems like he hardly fails.

I guess Moyes, LVG & Mourinho were all kind of old school and past it, but Ancelotti seems like he does relatively well wherever he goes though it does seem like a more short term project.

Considering how many top clubs and season's he has had - it's quite interesting that i dont hear his name in the greatest managers of all time all that much. He must be in the top 3-5 at the very least.
 

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It is, but I’m convinced that it won’t even be close to United’s top 4 targets in real life. I repeat again, why would a club claiming it is now football focused and building towards winning titles and CL’s again get Southgate or Potter?

Makes 0 sense. Would be like me saying I want a girlfriend and then chatting up Gary Oldman
You could do a lot worse than Gary Oldman
 

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Ruben Amorim he’s transformed sporting Lisbon and plays good football. Get him in to coach and all the others to recruit good footballers for good prices. Sign them on contracts where if they do well they’ll be hungry for the next level of contract, totally re work the way we sign players.
Now that Klopp is staying put he could be back in play for us. I just want someone who has clear ideas on how he wants to play, can imprint that style on a team but is adaptable enough not to commit suicide against a super team.

That's why I don't even mind McKenna, I know that if we get the structure above him right we are rich enough to buy a few players who can turn a good team into a great one. With the burden of decision making removed plus the added support which brings in top notch fitness and medical professionals, which Brailsford will surely have an eye on, a good coach can work.

Klopp is a great manager, his achievements speak for themselves but the reason he has reached the heights he has reached is that he has been in a system that gave him great players to work with. Mane, Salah, VVD and Arnold could work in any team. His job then becomes man management to maintain morale and tactical planning.
 

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Hopefully things change under Ineos but I think this is simply excuses of poor managers.

Every few years another manager comes in & waxes lyrical about what changes they will make. They all took the job knowing it was under Glazer rule so it was pretty clear what a clusterfeck they were coming into.

By the end of each of their times here each manager wasn’t simply unlucky, falling short of winning titles but were missing lowered expectations.

They then leave & all say the same thing but how many of them reflect on themselves? These squads are not title winning but in general none of these managers have been asked to win titles by the time they’ve left but be competent.

This EtH reign has been a clusterfeck on so many levels but not everything wrong has been done to him.
Who would you like to see as the new manager?
 

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Top 4 in betting….

Southgate 5/2
Potter 4/1
Tuchel 9/1
Amorim 9/1
Not really surprising given the media attention so far, and betting tends to just follow the news.
 

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You could do a lot worse than Gary Oldman
:D

And United could do a lot worse than Potter (and slightly worse than Southgate if they get John Carver instead) - but they aren’t going to achieve their goals if they do

Same as me pulling Gary Oldman isn’t going to achieve my goal. Although the money would be nice
 

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How are McKenna and Carrick the scattergun approach? They are both good candidates, if it doesn’t work out, move onto the next one. It’s not like we’re missing out on the next Pep or Klopp. Having a coach that will leave the transfers up to the scouts and recruitment team, without their ego getting involved, will be a breath of fresh air.
We are not fecking Ipswich town ffs.