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Rumours of Alpine sale.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/a...9950.425683886.1712836823-27554265.1680424543

According to Motorsport.com there are multiple parties looking at the possibility of taking over Alpine, including a major car manufacturer

The biggest hurdle would be that Viry would also have to be part of the deal to assure that the engineers there are guaranteed their job till at least 2029.

Funny texts at the end of the article
. However, this constraint of using the Renault engine could reduce the number of potential buyers - since some interested parties want to involve the use of their own power units or those of other manufacturers with which there are already links
 

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Was re watching some old broadcasts of F1 weekends from the 90s and early 2000s and as was discussed in here a page or two ago: it's wild to see all the talk about quali engines vs race engines being mounted rather than needing to use the same for both like these days. Its funny how quickly you forget some things.

The other thing that stood out to me is how insanely large the gaps were in quali especially compared to today. We literally had people only two or three spots down from pole already being well over a second behind, with gaps increasing to as much as 5 seconds or even more the further down you go(!!). In a way it gave me more appreciation for today as putting in a pole lap these days is so much more about the finest of margins.
 

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Was re watching some old broadcasts of F1 weekends from the 90s and early 2000s and as was discussed in here a page or two ago: it's wild to see all the talk about quali engines vs race engines being mounted rather than needing to use the same for both like these days. Its funny how quickly you forget some things.

The other thing that stood out to me is how insanely large the gaps were in quali especially compared to today. We literally had people only two or three spots down from pole already being well over a second behind, with gaps increasing to as much as 5 seconds or even more the further down you go(!!). In a way it gave me more appreciation for today as putting in a pole lap these days is so much more about the finest of margins.
Interesting you mention that. Thierry Boutsen has been quoted in a recent interview.

The shame about Formula 1 today is that it all depends on the technology and the car,” he said, speaking from his office in Monaco.

“The driver, in my days, was responsible for something like 70 to 80 percent of the victory.

“The car was to bring the driver to victory, but it was counting for about 20 to 25 percent. Today, it is totally the opposite. If you don’t have the best car, you can’t win, there’s nothing you can do."


He also said some other stuff. Interesting interview.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/thierry-boutsen-how-modern-f1-differs

What l find most interesting is that Chandok Sainz, Verstappen have all recently spoken out against "moveable aero" and other gimmicks. Smaller, lighter cars with "driver skill" (Verstappen said) making the difference instead. Shame F1/FIA won't listen.
 

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Rumours of Alpine sale.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/a...9950.425683886.1712836823-27554265.1680424543

According to Motorsport.com there are multiple parties looking at the possibility of taking over Alpine, including a major car manufacturer

The biggest hurdle would be that Viry would also have to be part of the deal to assure that the engineers there are guaranteed their job till at least 2029.

Funny texts at the end of the article
Funny that this is timed exactly as andretti announced their new Silverstone HQ. But who wants crappy Renault engines till 2029? Who's gonna take that deal?
 

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Interesting you mention that. Thierry Boutsen has been quoted in a recent interview.

The shame about Formula 1 today is that it all depends on the technology and the car,” he said, speaking from his office in Monaco.

“The driver, in my days, was responsible for something like 70 to 80 percent of the victory.

“The car was to bring the driver to victory, but it was counting for about 20 to 25 percent. Today, it is totally the opposite. If you don’t have the best car, you can’t win, there’s nothing you can do."


He also said some other stuff. Interesting interview.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/thierry-boutsen-how-modern-f1-differs

What l find most interesting is that Chandok Sainz, Verstappen have all recently spoken out against "moveable aero" and other gimmicks. Smaller, lighter cars with "driver skill" (Verstappen said) making the difference instead. Shame F1/FIA won't listen.
Yeah it's funny how scary YT recommendations work but I had to pop up on my feed again yesterday - from last year with Max talking about the same things you mentioned:


Just seems like we re too uncomfortably close to 26 now if they re only just now listening to those comments and still have to make some major changes to the regs. Not very encouraging as you basically said.
 

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Alonso committing to Honda - there's something I didn't think I'd say ever say again.
 

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Does that suggest Sainz is waiting on Red Bull

Otherwise why would Alonso not wait for Red Bull
 

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Alonso signs multi year deal to stay with AM

No way he does that unless he knows 100% that he cant get a drive at RedBull or Mercedes. After all, no customer team has ever delivered a WDC over Works team.
 

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Italian press claiming that Sainz will join Mercedes on a two year deal. Antonelli will be parked at Williams to learn his trade at F1.

Also Perez will be renewed for RedBull.

How predictably dull ...
 

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Its race week and a sprint.

Friday April 19
4.30am Chinese GP Practice One
8.30am: Chinese GP Sprint Qualifying

Saturday April 20
4am: Chinese GP Sprint
8am: Chinese GP Qualifying

Sunday April 21
8am: The CHINESE GRAND PRIX
 

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Italian press claiming that Sainz will join Mercedes on a two year deal. Antonelli will be parked at Williams to learn his trade at F1.

Also Perez will be renewed for RedBull.

How predictably dull ...
The car being a tad bit understeery this year brings it into Cheko's comfort zone. But I agree he seems like he has come to terms with his standing and is happy simply to carry on. Very uninspiring.
 

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Adrian Newey criticizes the "strange" engines of 2026: "They will act as generators almost all the time"

"It will be a strange formula. The engines will act as generators almost all the time. We'll have to get used to it,"

“I don't know if we should talk about 'extended range electric', but it seems that the new engines of 2026 will work the other way around a traditional hybrid. The propulsion will be electric, supported by the thermal motor when necessary. The opposite of now, when the electric power is a 'plus' to be used on occasion.”

VIA: [SoyMotor]
If that turns out to be true, I am done with this mockery after 2025.
 

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Just bring back the v10s and be done with it, all this’s electric motors shit is only a face, the reality is the cars are a tiny percentage of F1s co2 emissions, electric lorry’s and ferry’s would be a bigger change.
This. If they want electric cars race just have seperate race for them.
 

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It’ll be a completely miserable dead sport by 2027.

Bring back power, forget energy recapture/generation, active suspension instead of active aero. Restrict outwash even more and get rid of drs.

Imagine.
 

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One of the most entertaining sprit qualifiers in a long while, the rain mixed it up nicely.
 

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Just saw the result. Will watch later. Presume it was a case of being on the track at the right time.
It was more a case of who could keep within the track limits and not go off on a corner. There's very little grip at the circuit this weekend, so that combined with the rain mixed it up nicely.
 

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The story behind Shanghai's 'painted' F1 track surprise:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the-story-behind-shanghais-painted-f1-track-surprise/10600016/

.But research by Motorsport.com has uncovered that while the track looks like it has been painted, what has happened is actually a bitumen surface treatment that is commonly used on roads in the United States and Asia.

Bitumen is applied in fluid form to the track surface to help bind with the surface of the existing circuit. The idea is that it helps eliminate dust, improves waterproofing and also prevent disintegration of the track.
It is understood that this work was done in Shanghai last year, and the varied colouring around the track is the result of this treatment having been worn away from track running that has taken place since.
The manner of the treatment means it will likely further be worn away over the F1 weekend, which could open the door to varied levels of grip around different parts of the track.

The appearance of the dark surface layer has inevitably triggered memories of Turkey 2020, when teams and drivers were caught out by a remarkable lack of grip on a newly layered surface.

But Sainz was pretty confident things were not going to be that dramatic – as sources suggested the treatment should actually help improve grip rather than reduce it."
 

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It was more a case of who could keep within the track limits and not go off on a corner. There's very little grip at the circuit this weekend, so that combined with the rain mixed it up nicely.
Just watched it. Entertaining. Not seen a lack of grip on a track like that since the turkey GP when they re-laid the track. Not checked the weather but a wet weekend for the rest of the GP weekend would be nice.
 

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Holy shit, what an exciting SQ3, that was amazing :lol:

Hamilton pulled a great lap, but Norris managed to overshadow it.
 

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Awe poor Crofty

This track is in an awful state. No grip like Singapore but eating tyres anyway