I'm sure Russia and China would be more than happy to help on that front, even if their shit is sub-par.
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Military procurement is not a "Cool i'd like to buy 12 S-400's, 100 J16's and 25 SU-35's please!"
These contracts take years to iron out and further years to fulfill.
These countries are not going to tolerate remaining defenseless for decades whilst this stuff comes to fruition. For example, Chinese production on the J-16 is at very high capacity and they're able to churn out, at best, 2 squadrons a year. Not only that, you have to retrain hundreds of crews, pilots, technicians and give up all the institutional knowledge you've gained over the past decades to start anew. Then there's the problem of working out how to use these new weapons that they're unfamiliar with, how they fit into existing doctrines etc.
It's a non-starter. Nation states will never even consider just swapping their military contractor base out overnight.
Let me give you an example, India and France signed a deal on the Dassault-Rafale back in 2012 and in 2021 the first active, viable, Indian Rafale Squadron, "IAF 101", went live. 9 years for a Squad of 18 fighter jets and its corresponding logistics, technician, and training crews.
Now, find a way to replicate this for their entire air force, army, naval forces, small arms, vehicles etc etc. This is not going to happen.
I am well aware. Is a bit wishful thinking to see if someone will stop the barbaric Israel state putting a bit of pressure. Though as I said before, in 5 years or less back to business like nothing happened.
But is true that Israel is alienating a bit the regional partners and can make the situation ugly
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Some timing for this to be published:
Argentine Court Says Iran Was Behind Israeli Embassy and Jewish Center Attacks
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html
Argentine Court Says Iran Was Behind Israeli Embassy and Jewish Center Attacks
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html
Argentina are just another US puppet now aren't they? Hardly surprising if so.
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And a message to the Gulf countries basically implying you'll have no sales of LNG and Oil.
It's the main reason why I think even if Iran do retaliate, I doubt it escalates into a major war. With Russian Oil and Gas slowly being moved out of the Western market, this will just cause absolute mayhem.
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Do these guys not see how foolish they look ? now they care about international law ? They'd get much more respect if they'd just say it as it is. 'We're the West and we're above the law so feck you and don't try it with us'.
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Quite impressive how Israel has managed to make a growing number of people consider Iran as some sane regional player.
I stand by my point that Bibi is a genius.
Imagine if he's going to be remembered not only for allowing the October 7th massacre + the annihilation of Gaza and its people to occur,
but also for being the catalyst to WW3, a la the bloke who killed Franz Ferdinand.
In the meantime, it looks like the Iranians like their revenge served cold.
for the past 5-6 days we are told here that in 24, 48 hours shit will hit the fan.
News editors are having a constant boner. quite tedious.
I stand by my point that Bibi is a genius.
Imagine if he's going to be remembered not only for allowing the October 7th massacre + the annihilation of Gaza and its people to occur,
but also for being the catalyst to WW3, a la the bloke who killed Franz Ferdinand.
In the meantime, it looks like the Iranians like their revenge served cold.
for the past 5-6 days we are told here that in 24, 48 hours shit will hit the fan.
News editors are having a constant boner. quite tedious.
Where did you come up with that? the first vote was on pause until 6 months ago when Gaza war erupted, tomorrow the Iraqi PM will be in Washington to to discuss withdrawing all the American fighting forces.
It wasn’t voted on. It was unilaterally passed as an agreement between the two parties as an extension of the talks and agreements that were practically in place before the Solemani incident occurred. Parliament were notified and given a chance to protest ( no idea how that works in the Iraqi political system).
The agreement stipulated base transfers from US control to Iraq (as agreed in the original provision) but allowed US forces to use them for an extended period of times.
The reason is that Iraq still needed US support with insurgency and extremist elements in the region.
US offered to pull everyone out in 2021 but Iraq is currently paying for 2500 US servicemen to remain, still to this day
I consider it better than another episode of Masterchef*.
* Unless an Iranian missile lands on me, obviously.
Yes, I know that, but still does not change the fact that the resolution passed and just in februari this year the Iraqi parliament ordered the government to abide by the resolution (18) 2020, and at that time the Iraqi PM came publicly out and said "now it is time". Iraq still want to have some sort of a US consultancy role, but no fighting forces.
Coward does not even trust the Israeli security apparatus to keep him safe.
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Better than watching United, that's for sure
I live some 10 minutes from the main power plant in Hadera... probably one of the main targets, should a war start.
tempted to go to the beach and sit there, maybe seeing some stuff coming down from the sky...
would be a nice way of developing PTSD, mind...
And his son is in Miami.
I'm not far away from a couple of air force bases. Oh well. It's been fun!Better than watching United, that's for sure
I live some 10 minutes from the main power plant in Hadera... probably one of the main targets, should a war start.
tempted to go to the beach and sit there, maybe seeing some stuff coming down from the sky...
would be a nice way of developing PTSD, mind...
seems to have started... all jokes aside... I don't know what to do right now :/
more sounds of airplanes in the sky than usual but still no explosions
@Amir do you happen to know how long it should take for a Katbam to get from Iran to central Israel?
I'm curious.
more sounds of airplanes in the sky than usual but still no explosions
@Amir do you happen to know how long it should take for a Katbam to get from Iran to central Israel?
I'm curious.
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Hope you two are able to stay safe.
Crazy how news stations are reporting a possible attack as unprovoked.
we'll see.. thank you
I find myself worry more about the Israeli reaction to whatever Iran does, a reaction probably on Iranian soil..
and then Iran reacts again, forcefully...
fecking politicians fecking average Joe's lives.
hope they get fecked up the arse once they get to hell.
I wonder what they're up to. 50 drones is a tame response. most of them will probably get taken down mid-air, I should think.
Cheers.
They've been talking about 9 hours, no? That's as much as I know...
But if they've been launched a few hours ago, then they'll be here sooner.
Yeah, just saw it mentioned online. so the fun begins at the a.m's .
Not much element of surprise going on here if this is it.
Two ways this will go:
1. As soon as the drones get close, the cruise missiles etc will be launched in an effort to overwhelm defences and inflict real damage.
2. handful of other missiles sent in, a little damage done.
Hopefully it’s a saving face exercise from Iran, and 2 is the play. If it’s 1, major war is on its way.
1. As soon as the drones get close, the cruise missiles etc will be launched in an effort to overwhelm defences and inflict real damage.
2. handful of other missiles sent in, a little damage done.
Hopefully it’s a saving face exercise from Iran, and 2 is the play. If it’s 1, major war is on its way.
you'd imagine it's just the start of something a tad more serious...
They will go for the minimal "adequate" response, is my guess.
I just wish the fecking abomination of a government in Israel would stop at that.
what are the odds...
Strange attack. Those drones will be shot down easily. What is the point? To say to your public that you did something after attack on embassy?
sounds likely. I can't think of an incentive for them to bring the situation closer to a full blown war...?
This will be Israel's wish (the politicians at least), not their's.
I'm hoping this is exactly it
Apparently cruise missiles have now also been launched (at least according to reports).
The estimate is about two to five hours...
That's what my assumption is. It's a really weird thing for them to announce if they genuinely wanted to hurt them
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Like when Hamas used to let the IDF know that they’d be firing a couple of rockets into empty deserted land just for show.
it's not that they announced, it's the US intelligence that picked up on it.
Iran obviously knew this would happen.
Edit: apologies, I now see that they indeed announced it. oh well.
This is literally: "Hey guys, we are sending drones. Prepare yourself. ". One of strangest things related to war which i ever saw.
No one thinks Iran is sane. The whole Middle East hates them, their own people hate them, the West hates them.
It's just funny though, that one seized a ship in it's waters and one destroyed an embassy in another country and only one is getting called out as breaking international law.
Both the current Iranian regime and Israeli regime are criminals and both should be called out for it.
yes, wonder what they really have up their sleeve. this can't be what they are up to.