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Another thing they'll almost certainly consider is whether accounting for those alleged off-the-books payments would even have affected the club's PSR/FFP compliance.

As far as I know in 2012-2019 we never even came close to breaching any rules with the accounts the club actually reported so would adding the odd few million here or there on some years even have changed anything? The Guardian article mentions the dodgy payments total 'tens of millions' over the seven year period in question but for some context the club's reported overall revenues and costs for the same time period were both in excess of 3 billion. While 'tens of millions' sounds like a lot of money in isolation, in this kind of scale and over a time period that long it becomes almost negligible.

That being said, the rules are 100% clear and they dictate every payment has to be included in the accounts so some form of punishment for failure to report them would definitely be a fair outcome but if someone actually believes anyone's getting an automatic relegation and/or trophies stripped for misfiling ~1% of their costs I can't help but feel they're going to be in for some big disappointment when a verdict comes in.
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I feel this is going to be the case with Chelsea. Big fine, maybe a small points deduction but an explanation that they were still within the PSR rules even with the dodgy payments - while some payments are outside of PSR timelines.

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Clutching at straws, they are being investigated from 2012-2018 for a reason, Eden Hazard signed in June 2012 and thus has nothing to do with FFP/PSR which was in place in European Football from 2009, this is to do with fraudulent and admitted fraudulent reporting of accounts to the PL, that case alone carries an expulsion from the league as punishment!

I’ll make this very clear for all Chelsea Fans, if you pay an agent in a third party bank account copious amounts of money to facilitate the signing of Marquee Players that have had a significant effect in wining you trophies, CL qualification then your are guilty of much more than FFP/PSR this is fraudulent declaration of accounts in accordance of the PL rule book.

I’d just hope as Chelsea fan that the other 19 PL Owners/CEO have some empathy as Todd Boehly has done the right thing and self report, however I can’t see CEO’s like Daniel Levy letting any Chelsea owner off the hook, can you ?
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This seems unlikely to me as football finances were not really regulated properly until the 2010's and were more of a wild west which did allow for a lot of dodgy money to enter football. In addition, Chelsea self declared, which is always looked on with more leniency in any court/investigation as it encourages co-operation - whereas denial always increases sanctions to dissuade non-cooperation.

However, if Chelsea do get relegated for it than so be it.
 

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Dave Smith said:
I feel this is going to be the case with Chelsea. Big fine, maybe a small points deduction but an explanation that they were still within the PSR rules even with the dodgy payments - while some payments are outside of PSR timelines.



This seems unlikely to me as football finances were not really regulated properly until the 2010's and were more of a wild west which did allow for a lot of dodgy money to enter football. In addition, Chelsea self declared, which is always looked on with more leniency in any court/investigation as it encourages co-operation - whereas denial always increases sanctions to dissuade non-cooperation.

However, if Chelsea do get relegated for it than so be it.
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Why on earth would the PL want to interview Maria Gravovskaia, especially after Richard Masters said this;

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-ffp-investigation-confirmed-new-28454957.amp

Todd Boehly came clean on everything as he wants a clean slate, but the fact that Maria was DOF at the time of the charges and complicit to much of this makes it untenable, if as we all expect she fails to comply with the request to give explanations on these transfers and dubious payments, then that is a non complicity charge added to the existing and will be deemed as admittance of all charges brought forward.

She also seems to have benefited personally by this fraudulent behaviours that’s the Guardian’s quote ;

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...l-breaches-under-investigation-premier-league

Most Chelsea fans have their heads burried in the sand, thinking as long as we sell £100m of academy players before June 1st, everything will be ok.

Self Reporting means that Chelsea case can be heard and brought to a conclusion swiftly, A huge fine yes, a transfer embargo possibly, A points deduction most definitely, Expulsion possibly, Being taking to court by other PL teams who were financially affected by Chelsea, most definitely. Generally it doesn’t look good now does it?

City will get nothing as a punitive punishment compared to Chelsea because of Boehly’s Self Admission.

If Sir Jim wasn’t a Chelsea fan in disguise he could go after them for United not being able to Sign Eden Hazard when it was clear United were in for him and at the time where the dominant team in the PL and regular CL semi finalists at the time but were unable to compete due to third party payments made to him and his agent which were not declared to the PL!

This for the last time is considered unfair sporting advantage, paying your DOF in £1.6m house in Chelsea Harbour from undeclared payments is not how clubs were run or allowed to be run in the PL from 2012-2018!
 

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No chance they sell Palmer ….think they’ll try selling Sterling
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Sterling to Arsenal and he’ll rediscover his form or maybe Newcastle. Problem is he’s on £300k per week no one’s paying that !
 

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Interesting hypothetical is if City didn't sign Doku, would Palmer have left? He must have been biding his time for his chance when Mahrez left, but then City signed another winger.

It's a weird one for City, but their loss is Chelsea's gain.
 

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His passing options are hugely restricted by how shit his teammates are in fairness. Gusto going off hugely limited Palmer's ability to create because Gilchrist is both not a right back and also not a PL level player.
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Even with this context, Palmer still makes some rather odd passing decisions at times and is often a bit selfish but he's only 21, it's his first season as a real starter in this league, so I think with time comes maturity and better decision making. Right now though, it does sometimes look like he's bought into this hype a little but then he justifies it by being our most clinical finisher by far and our biggest creative outlet by far. He's currently 2 goals off the league top scorer (Haaland 18) and 2 assists off the league leader in assists (Gross 10) - 19 goals 12 assists in all comps is really impressive.
 

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Woziak said:
Why on earth would the PL want to interview Maria Gravovskaia, especially after Richard Masters said this;

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-ffp-investigation-confirmed-new-28454957.amp

Todd Boehly came clean on everything as he wants a clean slate, but the fact that Maria was DOF at the time of the charges and complicit to much of this makes it untenable, if as we all expect she fails to comply with the request to give explanations on these transfers and dubious payments, then that is a non complicity charge added to the existing and will be deemed as admittance of all charges brought forward.

She also seems to have benefited personally by this fraudulent behaviours that’s the Guardian’s quote ;

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...l-breaches-under-investigation-premier-league

Most Chelsea fans have their heads burried in the sand, thinking as long as we sell £100m of academy players before June 1st, everything will be ok.

Self Reporting means that Chelsea case can be heard and brought to a conclusion swiftly, A huge fine yes, a transfer embargo possibly, A points deduction most definitely, Expulsion possibly, Being taking to court by other PL teams who were financially affected by Chelsea, most definitely. Generally it doesn’t look good now does it?

City will get nothing as a punitive punishment compared to Chelsea because of Boehly’s Self Admission.

If Sir Jim wasn’t a Chelsea fan in disguise he could go after them for United not being able to Sign Eden Hazard when it was clear United were in for him and at the time where the dominant team in the PL and regular CL semi finalists at the time but were unable to compete due to third party payments made to him and his agent which were not declared to the PL!

This for the last time is considered unfair sporting advantage, paying your DOF in £1.6m house in Chelsea Harbour from undeclared payments is not how clubs were run or allowed to be run in the PL from 2012-2018!
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think Chelsea are going to be expelled from the league
 

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WeePat said:
Even with this context, Palmer still makes some rather odd passing decisions at times and is often a bit selfish but he's only 21, it's his first season as a real starter in this league, so I think with time comes maturity and better decision making. Right now though, it does sometimes look like he's bought into this hype a little but then he justifies it by being our most clinical finisher by far and our biggest creative outlet by far. He's currently 2 goals off the league top scorer (Haaland 18) and 2 assists off the league leader in assists (Gross 10) - 19 goals 12 assists in all comps is really impressive.
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Yeah don't disagree. Our other attackers are all so wasteful in the final third - Mudryk and Gallagher especially lose the ball constantly. Think Palmer has another level to go to if he had teammates to link up with consistently.
 

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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think Chelsea are going to be expelled from the league
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I never said that, I said the charges could result in that, however the daily mail did say that if found guilty then they could be kicked out so here we go;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hes-Nottingham-Forest-docked-four-points.html

You clearly think there’s is absolutely no chance of this happening and don’t for one second think that Chelsea sought “Unfair Sporting Advantage” under Roman Abrahmovic, even when your current owner has gone on record and disclosed that the previous Owner did enfact CHEAT!

He did not disclose all payments in the correct manner and looked to deceive PL by not registering the clubs true accounts.
 
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eire-red said:
Interesting hypothetical is if City didn't sign Doku, would Palmer have left? He must have been biding his time for his chance when Mahrez left, but then City signed another winger.

It's a weird one for City, but their loss is Chelsea's gain.
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Probably not, but also dont think he'd look as good. He's playing with more freedom than I think Pep would allow him. If he dribbled too much or took too many shots, he'll get a dressing down from Pep like Jacky boy in front of the primetime cameras.
 

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TheMagicFoolBus said:
Yeah don't disagree. Our other attackers are all so wasteful in the final third - Mudryk and Gallagher especially lose the ball constantly. Think Palmer has another level to go to if he had teammates to link up with consistently.
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Yeah I think an underrated part of this team is Jackson. He's probably the most slandered player in the team but he almost never drops below 7/10. If he was a tiny bit more clinical, he would be an absolute gem. I think with Palmer and Jackson, part of the attack is sorted.
 

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WeePat said:
Even with this context, Palmer still makes some rather odd passing decisions at times and is often a bit selfish but he's only 21, it's his first season as a real starter in this league, so I think with time comes maturity and better decision making. Right now though, it does sometimes look like he's bought into this hype a little but then he justifies it by being our most clinical finisher by far and our biggest creative outlet by far. He's currently 2 goals off the league top scorer (Haaland 18) and 2 assists off the league leader in assists (Gross 10) - 19 goals 12 assists in all comps is really impressive.
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he made 7 key pass last game. It is very good.
 

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Woziak said:
I never said that, I said the charges could result in that, however the daily mail did say that if found guilty then they could be kicked out so here we go;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hes-Nottingham-Forest-docked-four-points.html

You clearly think there’s is absolutely no chance of this happening and don’t for one second think that Chelsea sought “Unfair Sporting Advantage” under Roman Abrahmovic, even when your current owner has gone on record and disclosed that the previous Owner did enfact CHEAT!

He did not disclose all payments in the correct manner and looked to deceive PL by not registering the clubs true accounts.
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Ah yes, the infallible font of knowledge known as the Daily Mail.

It's obviously just clickbait. Chelsea aren't getting expelled - and there's no indisputable proof those payments weren't accounted for anyways in terms of overall agent spend reporting. I'm sure Chelsea will be penalised and almost certainly deserve to be but you are on one if you think there's a even a snowball's chance in hell Chelsea get kicked out of the league.
 

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WeePat said:
Yeah I think an underrated part of this team is Jackson. He's probably the most slandered player in the team but he almost never drops below 7/10. If he was a tiny bit more clinical, he would be an absolute gem. I think with Palmer and Jackson, part of the attack is sorted.
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The space he generates with the threat of his running in behind is very underrated and was conspicuous in its absence whilst he was away with Senegal. Palmer aside he's easily the best of our attackers at linking play as well.
 

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Southgate didn’t even give him a chance in March.
 

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Give him the PFA player of the year.
 

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One more goal tonight to go joint top of the top scorer’s list.
 

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England are totally stacked in attacking midfield. Bellingham, Foden, Palmer...
 
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