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Add it to the catalogue for when there is a documentary made in years to come. Its absolutely shocking stuff. Think of the penalties given against us this season :lol: almost every single one was softer than what city get away with weekly, or at least in every big game. If Michael Oliver isnt genuinely being looked at behind the scenes, then something is very off
 

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Anyone know why that wasn't a handball?
As a former ref, I see many penalty situations that are understandably not given even though they look bad, particularily regarding hands. The rules have grey zones, there is the interpretation of intent, what is natural etc.

I have tried to rummage my mind for aspects that could explain why VAR did not help the ref there. So far I have only come up with bribes.
 

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The mere fact that Chelsea didn't even get the corner surely indicates that Oliver has seen no contact, which would make his view of the situation a clear and obvious error.
 

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The mere fact that Chelsea didn't even get the corner surely indicates that Oliver has seen no contact, which would make his view of the situation a clear and obvious error.
Not even VAR related but what is he and the lino looking at that they've not seen it's a corner? Baffling, it wasn't just a tiny knick either.
 

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It surprised that I had to come here to see anything about it. All the press is just about Pep moaning over the busy schedule.
BBC:

"And Chelsea also feel they were victims of an injustice as they were infuriated that they were not awarded a second-half penalty when Cole Palmer's free-kick struck Jack Grealish's hand in the wall, only for the video assistant referee to rule no offence had taken place."

The Guardian:
"56 min: Grealish’s arm was by his side … but well away from his body. Opinions will vary, but you can file that under Seen Them Given. Also under Nobody Knows Anything. VAR says no … but Chelsea don’t even get the corner. Grealish has the good grace to look a little sheepish."

The Independent:
"Chelsea also saw appeals for a penalty waved away in the second-half when Cole Palmer’s free-kick struck Jack Grealish’s arm in the box, before Silva scored a late winner as City kept their FA Cup defence alive."

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Imagine that decision going our way or anyone else but the team that bribes the media, you think the reports would look that way?
 

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You think that’s handball? Pretty normal to jump with your arms out to the side, and then it’s kicked at him with power from short distance. Would hate to see that given against us.
 

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You think that’s handball? Pretty normal to jump with your arms out to the side, and then it’s kicked at him with power from short distance. Would hate to see that given against us.
The fact that there's an obvious movement of the arm towards the ball as the ball is about to go underneath his outstretched arm makes it a penalty.

And no, when you're in the wall it's not normal to jump with your arms outwards. Look at the others, don't see them flailing their arm but as the wall breaks his arm goes out, impedes the ball's path with a movement of the arm towards the ball.
 

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BBC:

"And Chelsea also feel they were victims of an injustice as they were infuriated that they were not awarded a second-half penalty when Cole Palmer's free-kick struck Jack Grealish's hand in the wall, only for the video assistant referee to rule no offence had taken place."

The Guardian:
"56 min: Grealish’s arm was by his side … but well away from his body. Opinions will vary, but you can file that under Seen Them Given. Also under Nobody Knows Anything. VAR says no … but Chelsea don’t even get the corner. Grealish has the good grace to look a little sheepish."

The Independent:
"Chelsea also saw appeals for a penalty waved away in the second-half when Cole Palmer’s free-kick struck Jack Grealish’s arm in the box, before Silva scored a late winner as City kept their FA Cup defence alive."

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Imagine that decision going our way or anyone else but the team that bribes the media, you think the reports would look that way?
no way, it's a full on week talking point
 

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You think that’s handball? Pretty normal to jump with your arms out to the side, and then it’s kicked at him with power from short distance. Would hate to see that given against us.
In a defensive wall at a free kick, players don't often jump with their arms outstretched like Christ the redeemer, they cover their balls, face or have them behind their backs.
 

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The fact that there's an obvious movement of the arm towards the ball as the ball is about to go underneath his outstretched arm makes it a penalty.
Or his arm just drops as it would when you’re on your way down again after jumping. It’s hardly an obvious movement towards the ball. You’ve seen them given. I think it would have been a cheap goal.
 

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You think that’s handball? Pretty normal to jump with your arms out to the side, and then it’s kicked at him with power from short distance. Would hate to see that given against us.
 

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It's so normal to jump with your arms outwards that Grealish is the only one doing it.
 
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You think that’s handball? Pretty normal to jump with your arms out to the side, and then it’s kicked at him with power from short distance. Would hate to see that given against us.
It’s kicked at him from (surprise surprise) ten yards away.

His right arm doesn’t move, his left arm clearly comes down when looks like ball might sneak past him.

I have no positive feelings towards Chelsea but it’s 100% a penalty. As clear as day.

 

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It’s kicked at him from (surprise surprise) ten yards away.

His right arm doesn’t move, his left arm clearly comes down when looks like ball might sneak past him.

I have no positive feelings towards Chelsea but it’s 100% a penalty. As clear as day.

From that angle it looks a penalty.
 
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From that angle it looks a penalty.
It does, because it was.

Ill try not to choke on these words but I’ll give Oliver (the useless cheating w@nker) the benefit of the doubt but not VAR.

He gives a goal kick so it’s by definition an error, then it hits the arm so they HAVE TO call him to the screen and let him make a decision with all the info.
 

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Or his arm just drops as it would when you’re on your way down again after jumping. It’s hardly an obvious movement towards the ball. You’ve seen them given. I think it would have been a cheap goal.
Is there a name for this knot you're twisting yourself into?
 

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It does, because it was.

Ill try not to choke on these words but I’ll give Oliver (the useless cheating w@nker) the benefit of the doubt but not VAR.

He gives a goal kick so it’s by definition an error, then it hits the arm so they HAVE TO call him to the screen and let him make a decision with all the info.
VAR probably bottled it because they would have had to give a red card as well
 

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The handball was bad, but I thought Walker on Jackson was a stonewall pen too. It's not shoulder to shoulder, it's shoulder in the back effectively pushing him over. Can't see how it wasn't given.
 

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So Michael Oliver refereeing City again and a few contentious decisions go City's way.

Well if that just ain't aren't isn't.
 

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Not too concerned about the marginal calls people are moaning at above. Any blame should be placed at Jackson's door. I'm not sure footballer is the best use of his skills.