Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Chumpsbechumps said:
I mean I get people are not happy with our managers , I’m ok with that , but how can people accept the club has been a mess for 10 years but think if we just sacked managers faster things would of been better cause that’s what works at well run clubs!!!
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Well you've been a mess because you've had all the wrong managers, which happens because the people who pick the managers have been clueless.

Most clubs in football are a mess most of the time, punctuated by short periods of time not being a mess, and then quickly returning to being a mess. Few clubs can be winners, and even fewer can be serial winners. That only happens when the stars align and you have the perfect manager who signs the right players and creates a phenomenal team. How many managers in the history of the premier league would you actually be happy with bringing in to manage United right now? Maybe 5? The likelihood of getting it wrong is much higher than the likelihood of getting it right unless you're hiring someone like Guardiola who is almost guaranteed to be a success.

Anyway my point is that the right manager is a necessary condition for a successful club, whereas director-level competence is good to have but not alone sufficient for a successful club.
 

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Just keep hiring bald managers, eventually bound to get one of them right.
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Have there been any other great managers (recently) who are bald besides Pep and Zidane? If we look at the other best managers of the last 20 years or so, SAF, Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Wenger, Simeone, they all had hair. Perhaps trying to find our own bald manager is not the way to go
 

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Bondi77 said:
It is not a thing that can actually be fact checked so like a lot of things in football media you have to read between the lines to realise bullshit.
He will not be coming to England and we would not be offering him the job anyway under the new regime.
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No offence but I’ll take a former team mate who won a World Cup with him rather than your opinion :lol: This forum sometimes
 

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Red00012 said:
No offence but I’ll take a former team mate who won a World Cup with him rather than your opinion :lol: This forum sometimes
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No offence taken,
I will carry on reading between the lines and we will see who we end up as our next manager.
Feel free to bump this thread when that happens.
 

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Cloud7 said:
Have there been any other great managers (recently) who are bald besides Pep and Zidane? If we look at the other best managers of the last 20 years or so, SAF, Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Wenger, Simeone, they all had hair. Perhaps trying to find our own bald manager is not the way to go
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Klopp and Conte have had transplants so it's difficult to categorise them. I would suggest there's better ways of identifying the right man than their hair situation given the mixed evidence.
 

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Agree that it definitely shouldn't be a stick used to beat him with. People talk about money and squad strength but it's never a guarantee of anything, and there are many more ways it can go right than go wrong. So those trophies definitely count in his favor. Not easy to win the CL never mind 3 in a row.

The one question mark with Zidane for me is that he's never really had to rebuild the Madrid team himself. The only big signing he's ever actually made is Eden Hazard. Others were Luka Jovic, Eder Militao, Ferland Mendy, and Vini Jr on pretty big transfer fees, but nothing close to what they paid for Hazard. The team that won 3 CL was almost the exact same starting 11 every time and Zidane didn't sign any of them.

So there's a question as to whether he can rebuild a team as opposed to getting an already good team to perform to the highest level and win everything. If he's not responsible for the signings of players then I think it could be a shrewd move, but would depend on really good recruitment imo.
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I don't think it's a question anyone looking to hire him has to trouble themselves with because a new specialist role has emerged in football specifically to assist managers on team building. If I remember correctly he was Vini Jr's big advocate back in his Madrid days plus he also played a pivotal role in attracting players like Benzema and Varane to Madrid ahead of us.

It's clear that this story has no traction, Zidane ain't risking his reputation on a poisoned chalice like us especially when we are likely to be in the Europa/Conference League next season. So it's all a moot point really.
 

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It doesn’t matter who we get in, there’s something seriously wrong here and has been for a number of years.

I mean just look at this game, how on earth can any premier league team be that terrible from 60 minutes onwards. The worrying thing is that’s not the first time we’ve seen a performance like that and it won’t be the last
 

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AneRu said:
I don't think it's a question anyone looking to hire him has to trouble themselves with because a new specialist role has emerged in football specifically to assist managers on team building. If I remember correctly he was Vini Jr's big advocate back in his Madrid days plus he also played a pivotal role in attracting players like Benzema and Varane to Madrid ahead of us.

It's clear that this story has no traction, Zidane ain't risking his reputation on a poisoned chalice like us especially when we are likely to be in the Europa/Conference League next season. So it's all a moot point really.
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True, probably a big pull for French players which is a pretty good thing these days.

I'm still not really convinced that there's enough evidence to guarantee that he would be a success, but probably the best option you could get. Still think someone like De Zerbi who would come in and really add serious organization to the way the team plays might be the best way to get some underperforming players back to their best level. I think some players are made to look much worse by having no structure.

I'm also not sure Zidane can organize a team as well as De Zerbi.
 

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No obvious name to get in to replace ETH. So, it doesn't really matter out of the most named candidates as we will be hoping on success anyway. I would give any of them a chance at this point.
 

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The top three bookies' favourites currently are:

Southgate - 5/2
Potter - 4/1
Tuchel - 10/1
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I'd love to have Tuchel here just for the meltdown when he discovers how technically deficient these crop of players are. The pressers would be entertaining.
 

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There’s question marks around Tuchel but he’s on another level to those two.
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Agreed. He's built a bit of a reputation for falling out with his superiors, though - not sure Ineos would fancy him. It will be Potter I think if Ten Hag leaves this summer. Sadly, I doubt he'd be a success at United.
 

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IMO, the available/realistic best in class:

Tier 1 - De Zebri, Inzaghi, Amorim
Tier 2 - Tuchel, Enrique,
Tier 3 - Potter, McKenna

Southgate = absolutely no go!
 

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Yakuza_devils said:
IMO, the available/realistic best in class:

Tier 1 - De Zebri, Inzaghi, Amorim
Tier 2 - Tuchel, Enrique,
Tier 3 - Potter, McKenna

Southgate = absolutely no go!
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How is Tuchel and Enrique below De Zerbi who has shown nothing to be in their class let alone Inzaghi's?
 

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How is Tuchel and Enrique below De Zerbi who has shown nothing to be in their class let alone Inzaghi's?
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Tuchel = "fall out" problems. Enrique = style of play not as interesting, IMO. The pros for De Zebri, rumours city want him to replace Pep, play very dominant style of play, minimal spendings, has PL experience and a very good coach.
 

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Yakuza_devils said:
Tuchel = "fall out" problems. Enrique = style of play not as interesting, IMO. The pros for De Zebri, rumours city want him to replace Pep, play very dominant style of play, minimal spendings, has PL experience and a very good coach.
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Enrique and Tuchel should be ahead of De Zerbi lets be honest
 

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Yakuza_devils said:
IMO, the available/realistic best in class:

Tier 1 - De Zebri, Inzaghi, Amorim
Tier 2 - Tuchel, Enrique,
Tier 3 - Potter, McKenna

Southgate = absolutely no go!
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I like De Zerbi but he is not close to Enrique nor Tuchel
 

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I'd take Tuchel over Southgate and Potter for one or two seasons before he falls out with everyone.

In two years, the manager landscape will be different and there will be new up and coming managers to wish for.
McKenna has done wonders with Ipswich, but so did Kompany with Burnley in the Championship. Let's see how he does in the PL first.
 
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