Then those non respectful players need to be eased out of the club, replaced by younger players, hopefully several from the academy, and players who are the way up, not looking for a final big pay day.
You’re preaching to the choir. If I had my way, only player above 25 that should stay is Martinez. Everybody else can feck off.
Or may be we can both grow and build together. I find Arsenal a comparable situation when Arteta and Edu first joined and they needed to move a few pensioners and useless players on high wages while they built in the background with talented academy players and young recruits with potential. In our current situation, he'll get the benefit of time and the opportunity to build the team in his own vision without the pressure of winning trophies immediately. All this can carry on while INEOS are building the structure and getting the support staff in place.
I think Erik has hammered home the message that a good manager will not thrive wherever he goes. He was a bad fit for us.
No, that's fair - I don't claim to know how the future will go and maybe my initial post ("suicide") was too strongly worded, I think it stems from the fact I admire what he's done and I'd hope for him to come in the most favourable context possible so he can give a good account of himself. I don't believe the environment is currently suited to garner excellence, but I'd be happy to be wrong, maybe the Ineos changes have already borne their fruits.
To your first paragraph, maybe, it's an interesting parallel. I would say the weight of expectation at Arsenal is unlike anything we have at Utd which shifts the debate somewhat, you could argue that Ten Hag isn't doing any worse in his first 2 seasons than Arteta, and look at the pressure he's under. Maybe a young, upcoming manager comes in and the progress happens on both the governance/structural side as well as on the pitch... I just find it very hard to believe that will happen. I think next year will be a bit of a "growing pains" one where everyone is just kindof settling into the new organisation. And I'm not convinced throwing a new manager into the mix, inexperienced at the high level on top of that, would be the best idea.
It's possible. I don't particularly believe that to be the case, as I've said above, but I don't have a cristal ball so it's just my opinion!
I agree with that. I appreciate the discussion here right now, lots of good points raised by several posters, and a lot less hyperbolic than much of the other discussion around at the moment. If we hire him I would love for it to be as favourable as possible, I do believe he has something about him. The problem is that it is really hard to say what the status is behind the scenes at the moment, whats happening on the pitch creates so much noise right now. Also there is just some things we will never know. Like how much influence does Ashworth have at the moment? I'm guessing it's more than is being communicated and that he is in the loop on most things happening.
This is why ETH remains in place in my opinion - Ineos are getting everything set up and then will have someone come in as a pure head coach in summer when there's at least some structure in place.
No, a lot of Arsenal fans had lost faith with Arteta.
Can throw in Alonso in that mix as well. It's all about the right fit for a club. Whether the manager is as experienced as Ancelotti or as inexperienced as Alonso, the manager needs to fit the club and the club needs to be able to guve the manager all the tools to succeed.
Would be a huge mistake by him. Rashford and co. will eat him alive and ruin his career before it even began.
In as much as the heart says feck it let's go for the brightest prospect and see how it goes the brain says we need an experienced head to see us through turbulent waters and solidify us in the top 4 and then get a bright prospect after a 3 year rebuild. We need what we had with Van Gaal but then make sure we take the recruitment away from that manager - an experienced coach who can impose a style but adaptable enough to go the ugly route to achieve our strategic objectives (LvG was one win at West Ham away from doing so) whilst introducing youth.
I literally wrote Alonso in my post
Completely missed that!I literally wrote Alonso in my post
I am hoping (praying) for a slow and more pragmatic approach this time. What we have done in the last XI years is get a new manager, drop a ton of money in his inital transfer windows and chase the top 4 spot in order to keep the Adidas money intact. We used the same approach with every manager we hired before ETH. We changed it slightly for ETH and allowed him to spend a ton of cash in his second season too. However, each time it has landed us in the same situation. We get the new manager bounce, do well for a small period and then revert back to type. We call the previous manager's purchases deadwood and then give the new one a carte blanche to purchase future deadwood. I want us to break this rinse and repeat cycle.
Yes, that too. I definitely sensed that he had a big hand in many of the good things the team did in that period, especially after hearing that Ole rarely took training sessions.
Or 1 win and 2 draws. Hull and Coventry will be tough away from home. Expect them to beat Huddersfield on the final day.
Coventry have nothing to play for so hopefully that gives Ipswich an advantage.
Form guide would suggest so, 3 losses on the trot plus that epic game against us in the FA Cup. Just can't take anyting for granted in the championship though as QPR has proven.
That’s true. Although QPR secured staying in the Championship with this win.
That's a good point. QPR really needed this win and played out of their skins. I dont expect Ipswich to get anything from Hull tomorrow as Hull will be chasing down West Brom and Norwich for that play off spot. Won't be all doom and gloom for Ipswich though.
Then again Ipswich are chasing the promotion just as much as Hull are chasing the playoff spot. So both teams should be well up for it. Think it’ll be a draw but really hope Ipswich can grab a win. Nice bit of entertainment for Saturday night.
Relegated in 2002
Welcome back!
I know it’s now quite likely we’ll go up, but I’m sure you understand I just can’t let myself start thinking it’s a done deal. The trauma if we don’t would be too much!
20 years; wow, good luck for next few games, it will be a roller coaster but hopefully you finish it smiling.
Oh wow, didn't realise it had been that long!
I belive Hermann Hreiðarsson was at Ipwich that time!
That 5th place finish, and the resulting UEFA cup entry the next season really did for us. A lot of the players (and fans tbf) started thinking we were better than we really were. And then, midweek trips around Europe added to that. We didn’t have the squad to cope.
He was!
I understand completely .. Nothing can be taken for granted .. Back to back promotions would be incredible though !!! Good Luck
