Did he even try?Ten Hag had a clear way of playing at Ajax, and he never got to implement that here.
Did he even try?Ten Hag had a clear way of playing at Ajax, and he never got to implement that here.
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What are you basing this on, besides the fact that he's never had the opportunity to manage a high profile club?What is McKenna's type of football? Ten Hag had a clear way of playing at Ajax, and he never got to implement that here. McKenna's only way of success is if all the big players are gone and we play with highly motivated players. No other chance.
I'm totally for De Zerbi. His style of play is clear and with better players he should thrive.
Well you’re considering those things all to be linked and not circumstantial. He was getting flak regarding his application for weeks and in response he put out a statement. What the manager chose to say and what clips people decided to highlight on social media aren’t linked to Rashfords statement defending himself against what he feels are unfair claims from United fans.The manager talked about counter press when losing the ball and a video clip goes around showing him ambling around vs Luton with absolutely no intention of closing anyone down and a week later we are greeted with a PR article suggesting not to question his commitment to the club. What is it, if not both self serving and at the same time creating a dissonance from the managers demands?
Exactly. This Jose was undermined was good PR stunt and even today Luckhurst carries that.Yup.
Either way it's not binary. The club not wanting to get rid of Martial was at the stage where Jose was heading fast towards a brick wall, it wasn't an isolated event where we somehow stripped Mourinho of all authority and put him a path towards failure. The vast majority of his signings were failing and he wanted to replace them with even more expensive signings that were available for feck all when he decided the best course of action was signing Bailly and Lindelof. We made Sanchez the best paid player in the league and allowed Mourinho to completely derail the season that Rashford and Martial were having competing for the left wing spot, whereas Sanchez turned out to be an utter disaster of a signing.
Perfect response, actually laughed out loud.*PepeSilvia.jpg*
Whether it was 'more defensive' wasn't the point. You said that opting for a double pivot is wild if you want to play progressive football, and that's simply not true. At the time your argument was to stick with this setup as it is exposing the players and that it is a setup that other top teams employ. I don't disagree, it is a system some top teams employ. But as was my point at the time, playing a double pivot doesn't mean the football can't be progressive and is used by even some top teams.“Name and shame” is a weird internet-only thing but ok seems like I struck a nerve
Yes, playing two at the base of midfield is more defensive than playing one at the base of midfield when you’re playing a back four in both scenarios.
Don’t recall ever explicitly saying you can’t be progressive with a double-pivot but you’re certainly opting for incremental protection who you sit two deep vs one.
Any other insight I can share?
Yes I mention other 'top teams' because this is what we are striving to be and it shows that you can play progressive football with a double pivot. I'm not attacking you here, but at the time you seemed dismissive of being able to play a double pivot in modern football almost, but you do at least recognise that isn't true.Edit: One important thing about your post. You say “other top teams”. We aren’t a top team right now and we don’t have personnel to be called a top team. This is very important because teams that are playing progressive football with a double pivot have players capable in possession, retain the ball, and allow the midfield to push further forward.
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He didn't even try. I doubt the club were telling him not to play the Ajax way, and I would argue that actually we do play a lot like them with the transitional football. The issue is that this isn't Eredivisie, and clubs are better coached than us, with managers who find holes in what we do. But even Wilcox has come in and told him to play a different way, so I would expect ETH played the football he wanted.What is McKenna's type of football? Ten Hag had a clear way of playing at Ajax, and he never got to implement that here. McKenna's only way of success is if all the big players are gone and we play with highly motivated players. No other chance.
I'm totally for De Zerbi. His style of play is clear and with better players he should thrive.
I think that won't be a big problem. On one side we already got rid of those players (Pogba, Cristiano, etc.) and on the other hand, if a manager shows competence, the players will listen to him. And I trust in INEOS that they'd sell players if they cause trouble.I still think carrick would be a more successful appointment over mckenna as he would instantly earn respect from players due to his status as a player for the club.
With mckenna, it could turn into moyes situation unless the club clear all players that could potentially undermine him or not buy into his ways
The difference is that we had a team of elite players that had won trophies under the world’s best manager.I still think carrick would be a more successful appointment over mckenna as he would instantly earn respect from players due to his status as a player for the club.
With mckenna, it could turn into moyes situation unless the club clear all players that could potentially undermine him or not buy into his ways
It's very difficult to tell.I still think carrick would be a more successful appointment over mckenna as he would instantly earn respect from players due to his status as a player for the club.
With mckenna, it could turn into moyes situation unless the club clear all players that could potentially undermine him or not buy into his ways
This is the thing. Someone like Tuchel or Poch feels just like a sidewards step - i'm not saying they won't do a good job, but I don't feel like they would offer much more than sticking with ETH would.I hope we get him or De Zerbi.
I'd happily give them time if we're building towards something with each passing season.
It can always get worse. Chelsea finished 12th last season for example.This is the thing. Someone like Tuchel or Poch feels just like a sidewards step - i'm not saying they won't do a good job, but I don't feel like they would offer much more than sticking with ETH would.
The other two feels like a chance to press the reset button, especially now that our best players are some of the kids it becomes a chance to start building again. It's a gamble, but with the mess we are in can it really get any worse?
to be honest, if he does not think he'll get the sack after our 19th defeat that's on himI bet Ten Hag is loving all these leaks the day before the cup final.
He should have known this was coming and if he cared he wouldn’t be reading what the media are reporting, he’d be focusing on preparing the team for the final.I bet Ten Hag is loving all these leaks the day before the cup final.
It’s LVG all over again. This club just goes round in circles. Proper Groundhog Day stuff.I bet Ten Hag is loving all these leaks the day before the cup final.
I would like to think that the decision has been made one way or another already and it won't come down to us winning or losing one match.to be honest, if he does not think he'll get the sack after our 19th defeat that's on him
The sense of impending doom for his United career is maybe a welcome relief/distraction from his sense of impending doom in the final.I bet Ten Hag is loving all these leaks the day before the cup final.
There's absolutely no chance that the decision rests on the outcome of the final. It will have been made weeks or possibly months ago. If they are planning to sack him then winning the final makes their PR strategy slightly more challenging, but it won't impact the decision.I would like to think that the decision has been made one way or another already and it won't come down to us winning or losing one match.
If Ineos is betting it all on winning or losing on Saturday then there are bigger problems at foot.
Except Carrick is not the same calibre of coach by the looks of things.I still think carrick would be a more successful appointment over mckenna as he would instantly earn respect from players due to his status as a player for the club.
With mckenna, it could turn into moyes situation unless the club clear all players that could potentially undermine him or not buy into his ways
I wouldn't be so sure, he's clearly done a very good job whilst having to overhaul the playing staff at Boro last season. I would expect them to be regularly challenging towards the top end from next year.Except Carrick is not the same calibre of coach by the looks of things.
Unbeaten as a United manager speaks volumes.Except Carrick is not the same calibre of coach by the looks of things.
THE INVINCIBLESUnbeaten as a United manager speaks volumes.
Moyes was a chance. Ole was a chance. ETH was a chance. LVG and Jose were experienced but played outdated football. We're not in a position to continue taking chances on unproven managers. If you want to take more chances, we might as well continue with ETH.None of the other options are anything we don't know and tbh, none of them are exciting.
Why not just take a chance?
Yeah but the managers that are 'proven' have proven to not be good enough and/or toxic so you can't win there either.Moyes was a chance. Ole was a chance. ETH was a chance. LVG and Jose were experienced but played outdated football. We're not in a position to continue taking chances on unproven managers. If you want to take more chances, we might as well continue with ETH.