The opportunism of MUST during Rooneygate.

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At the risk of wanting to poke my own eyeballs out when I get the answer, who are these "pro Glazer" people?

There is no dichotomy of "pro Glazer" and "pro MUST".

Most people are actually "anti-Glazer" and a million shades of something going from "pro" to "disappointed in" MUST.
 

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At the risk of wanting to poke my own eyeballs out when I get the answer, who are these "pro Glazer" people?

There is no dichotomy of "pro Glazer" and "pro MUST".

Most people are actually "anti-Glazer" and a million shades of something going from "pro" to "disappointed in" MUST.
The argument is not between "anti-Glazer" and "pro-Glazer", it is between "pro-ideology" and "pro-reality".
 

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Not sure about you lot but I'm proUnited - the rest is all bollocks

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Indeed. But what is it to be "pro-United"? Has the financial situation led people to question whether what they are doing is in the best interests of United?

Is the best thing to get the Glazers out at all costs? Is the best thing to let them get on with it?

Are you being pro-United or anti-United when you wear the red and not the G&G? Are you being pro or anti when you boycott your ST? Are you being pro or anti when you don't buy merchandise?
 

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The argument is not between "anti-Glazer" and "pro-Glazer", it is between "pro-ideology" and "pro-reality".
I'm not going to let you just dodge that easily.

You referred to the "anti-Glazers". So I ask, who are they, and why do they get such a label in comparison to whom?

The obvious implication is that there are "pro-Glazers" out there. Aside from maybe GCHQ, is anyone really "pro-Glazer"?

It seems to me, as I've said already, that basically everyone is anti-Glazer, it is just a matter of what to do, and the who/how/when/where/why's of doing it.
 

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You're wrong and that is a completely ignorant view to take. The truth pobably lies somewhere in the middle, if anything but unless you read both sides, how would you know?

The financials are there for all to see. They are not up for debate. It is figures on a sheet of paper. Facts, in other words.

Where the problem lies is people trying to second-guess what the Glazers have in mind for the money on those financials.


The anti-Glazers (mostly MUST) are the worst culprits because not only do they believe that certain things are going to happen, they actually count these things as already happened in their calculations (I can give you evidence of this if you wish) when putting forward their arguments.

The solution is obviously just to ignore it all. Let's all just concentrate on the football. Trust in Fergie. Trust in Manchester United.

The problem is that we have this bunch of fecking amateurs (self-confessed) who seem hell-bent on misleading the United support into believing that we're on our way to hell in a hand-basket and will peddle any nonsense in order to get the United support to believe them.

Some people take exception to this because some people have viewed the situation with a less jaundiced eye and have seen the reality and hate to be taken for a fool by a bunch of fools with a very specific agenda.

Basically, our intelligence has been insulted and people generally don't like to have their intelligence insulted. Most of us can think for ourselves, thank you very much.

The problem is: how deeply does the bullshit pervade? Is it just amongst the fans or does it go deeper? Has Rooney been reading the press releases from MUST? Do Manchester United targets read the press releases from MUST?

Is there this perception amongst the wider footballing community that Manchester United are terminally fecked and so should be avoided like the plague?

Maybe, maybe not but some of us won't let MUST have a free run at declaring it so for their own ends because some of us feel more passionately about our club than our personal agendas. Some of us don't want to see our name in the papers or our face on the telly.

We just want the fecking truth!
It also has to be remembered that nobody (even Gill) will know how the MU ownership fits into the wider Glazer picture. It is just part of their portfolio and can't be looked at in isolation.

As for this Glazer/MUST argument....maybe it's because I haven't been in here much recently but people do seem to be questioning MUST's motives and actions a little more than they used to which has to be a good thing.
 

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I'm not going to let you just dodge that easily.

You referred to the "anti-Glazers". So I ask, who are they, and why do they get such a label in comparison to whom?

The obvious implication is that there are "pro-Glazers" out there. Aside from maybe GCHQ, is anyone really "pro-Glazer"?

It seems to me, as I've said already, that basically everyone is anti-Glazer, it is just a matter of what to do, and the who/how/when/where/why's of doing it.
The problem is, the Glazers are in charge. It is not like we are being offered a choice of owners and we are voting on which one we want.

Considering the lack of a viable alternative, I guess that I am "pro-Glazer" in that I think they're running the club satisfactorily at the moment and I'd rather see them left to it rather than forcibly removed at an unknown cost, for an unknown outcome and I'll defend them against such half-arsed ideas.