Yes, this is the fact that we cannot blame our current manager ONLY, the board is the first to be blamed as everybody knows. We can keep high press and control the game in the last few months when we were full squad available. But this season, we have Bruno and VDB in the ACM position which are better quality than last few season to create chance. Unlucky that when Bruno is dropping the form recently but VDB cannot jump out to show what he can provide due to injury, this is the sadness thing that he cannot hole the chance. Also, only Fred, McT and aged Matic cannot hold that high engine in whole season and in the high level game
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So was Pepe and Lacazette. May be they would have performed better under Pep, may be Silva would be a flop in Utd. Point is, whatever money you spend, if the player cannot perform to a certain extent, it would be wasteful of funding as well as opportunity cost.
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Some incredibly good deals mentioned in the title it has to be said
Is this City fan on a mission to bump all the old City threads or something?
Just ban the troll.
Newbie system working well again I see
Even if Citys 40-50m transfers fail, they get rid of them and get a new one. They are bound to get good deals this way.
We on the other hand can't afford to do that and are stuck with the duds.
These newbies
We are stuck with duds because those higher ups plus managment made decisions to stuck with them.
Outside of Sane, name a single 40-50mil player that we’ve signed in the last five years who’s no longer at the club.Even if Citys 40-50m transfers fail, they get rid of them and get a new one. They are bound to get good deals this way.
We on the other hand can't afford to do that and are stuck with the duds.
We can't afford to offload players that are not good enough? We're only stuck with duds because we choose not to move them on and we offer them new contractsEven if Citys 40-50m transfers fail, they get rid of them and get a new one. They are bound to get good deals this way.
We on the other hand can't afford to do that and are stuck with the duds.
Why exactly was the newbie system changed again?
Not completely true. If say our manager thinks Lindelof needed to be upgraded it won't be easy as he cost 35m. Same fred cost 50m and we are stuck with him. The rule for our manager is they can't have a bad transfer as they are not allowed to make that mistake or replace that mistake. But for Pep he can just have 52m mendy as a social media mascot and can get new defenders. He need not play Ferran torres every game but we either have to pay 18 year old amad or 19 year old Greenwood or 23 year old James every game. He doesn't need a 42 m Ake to play for 4 months (I know he is injured)and no one bats an eye. 60m Laporte doesn't start games regularly but that is fine.
Ole sets up to not concede a goal and relies on individuals to create something. So if Bruno doesnt turn up then we are doomed. Apart from Shaw no one has performed to the level Bruno has created so I agree with the tweet!!
Mangala, Danilo for example? Not sure about their prices but you get the point. You already had a top notch squad by 2016 anyways acheived by chopping/changing expensive players who didn't work out.
UAE FC can find other ways to pay.Even if Citys 40-50m transfers fail, they get rid of them and get a new one. They are bound to get good deals this way.
We on the other hand can't afford to do that and are stuck with the duds.
Manchester City paid Roberto Mancini extra via Abu Dhabi club, claims leak
• Mancini alleged to have had two contracts while City manager
• Second said to have been with another Sheikh Mansour club
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...bu-dhabi-money-second-contract-sheikh-mansour
You mean like the £25m dud Schneiderlin who was sold after two seasons or the £25m dud Memphis Depay who was sold after two seasons or the £59.7m dud Ángel di María who was sold after a single season or the £30m dud Mkhitaryan who left after 1.5 seasons or the £75m dud Romelu Lukaku who was sold after two seasons?Even if Citys 40-50m transfers fail, they get rid of them and get a new one. They are bound to get good deals this way.
We on the other hand can't afford to do that and are stuck with the duds.
Truly stuck with them.
We would have to let go of them for a loss obviously. Its difficult for any club without a sugar daddy.
Did we replace Di Maria with a 60m winger? Did we replace Lukaku with a 75m striker?
Depay and Schneiderlin I agree, we got a decent return so we went along with it.
We lose more money keeping them, paying them wages past their skill level and ultimately not performing at the level we should be as a team
We lose even more money on the ones we don't even play (or play very little), and pay their wages
We spent the Lukaku money on Maguire....
We could have spent the DiMaria money on a new winger, we chose not to
What's with all the -nators in this thread
Thats the point. They can fail and get like for like expensive signings till they get it right.
What a shock!
So can we, we chose not to. We chose to spend the money on more rubbish instead. We pay over the odds for players as well which doesn't help (they tend not to do that)
With regards to offloading duds, one of the main reasons we struggle is that we tend to pay over the odds on wages when we sign them in the first place
Another team who are better at offloading players is Chelsea
Mangala, granted. Not in the last five years but I suppose that’s irrelevant. We made a profit on Danilo and also got Cancelo at the end of it. You can say that we just replace players that don’t work out, but when barely any of our signings have actually left then it leaves you with no foreground to work with. Since we signed Aguero in 2011, only three players that we’ve spent 40 million+ on have since departed: Mangala, Sane and Otamendi. But we’re playing trial and error until it just miraculously works out? I think that’s quite unfair.
We did buy Martial and Depay that summer.
Not quite. While it's true that they can buy every summer anew, they do not necessarily offload their underperforming players. Since Pep I can only think of Nolito and arguably Danilo. The others (Bravo, Mendy, Stones) were all kept around as cover and in the case of Stones came good (again) eventually.
If you want to extend this to Begiristain's tenure (summer of 2013 onwards), then there are a few more (Jovetić, Negredo, Bony), but others (Mangala, Fernando, Navas) stuck around for 3, 4 or even 5 years. For an 8-year period that doesn't seem too outrageous to me. The much bigger impact is with the £40-60m players such as Laporte, Walker or Bernardo dropping seamlessly to the bench/a mere rotation option. That's surely unprecedented.
Yup you’re right so my point stands even more
Why is a Man City thread in the United forum?
100% agree with this. This is a far more equitable argument than the idea that we just buy until it works. We have an embarrassment of riches within the squad, which I also think is testament to how well we’ve spent over the years. This in itself counteracts the previously mentioned points from some of the posts above.
They've had a Sporting Director and a singular footballing identity for a number of years now. If it wasn't Pep, they would have hired another manager with a specific profile that fit their footballing vision, and thus the transfer decisions would have benefitted that vision.
We've had Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole. You couldn't ask for a mish-mash of contrasting styles if you tried. You'd have to be a mad man to think that recruitment to suit each contrasting style wasn't a major cause of an imbalance squad over the years. Every successive manager had to clear out players that didn't fit his footballing ideas because each successive manager had differing ones.
We've had Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole. You couldn't ask for a mish-mash of contrasting styles if you tried. You'd have to be a mad man to think that recruitment to suit each contrasting style wasn't a major cause of an imbalance squad over the years. Every successive manager had to clear out players that didn't fit his footballing ideas because each successive manager had differing ones.
Good post this. Can't argue with any of it
That's exactly what we are doing. We are much worse at it though
We have wasted a chunk of money, prior to Ole's time though. City have a fantastic squad depth of really quality, probably the most depth in world football. We can match them and out play them in one off games but over a season their depth makes them far more likely to succeed than us.
Finally someone has got it totally right. Their set up with Soriano and Begiristain was literally to copy Barcelona 2008-2012. Pep was clearly the first choice, but guys like Pellegrini did not play football too contrasting to Pep’s. Even Mancini was probably told to play a more attacking style.
It’s a United thread of sorts Geebs
Not for the past few pages it’s not, nor is the title