“Certainly he [Bobby Charlton], Ferguson and Gill were against the move”

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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    The Holy trinity care more about the clubs philosophy than simply winning a trophy. This is certainly more so the case than how the fans think of the club who want every manager to win the trophy & is violent against even considering of our ex players to manage us as it will give us another season where we are not a success.

    SAF, Charlton & Gill care about success but I can guarantee you my ball that they care more so about the philosophy of the club, how the club plays football & more so how an already big club manages to balances the positives of the past & the struggles of the future. They also care about how the club is viewed. Whilst a manager like LVG struggled - there isn't a media whoring going on where we are looking like 2nd class tramps of a club.

    SAF gave the Job to moyes not because he could win a trophy - but because at the time he was the one of the only good British managers and had done a decent job at Everton even though it was nothing great. He assumed he could make a step up but no doubt moyes started the job as a rabbit & headlights leading us to a position we could not give him time.


    If you want to back Jose over the holy trinity then fair enough. You are just another fan who is thirsty for success & I hope that gets sorted out for you soon enough. Some us care for something a bit deeper.
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    Moriarty Full Member

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    In that case, they should have vociferously opposed the Glazer takeover when the club was saddled with an incredible amount of debt.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    By buying the club themselves?
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    Rifer Full Member

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    For all his faults (plenty), can't deny those Mourinho's short-term and long-term contributions.

    I would add a few more:
    • retaining key player -> David De Gea.
    • improve the mentality of this team, his methods are questionable, but it's a lot better now.
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    red4ever 79 Full Member

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    Mentality of the team is fragile. Players are a bunch of scared p*ssies.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    Yeh that's interesting because when Jose hasnt received aldeweireld & perisic it's the fault of Woodward :rolleyes: yet when We have a young squad it's the aim of Jose :rolleyes:

    Funnily enough in to his second season he said that some of the players that had arrived had not been good as expected. Doesn't sound like Jose backing of young players to me.

    I've said it before - Woodward had asked Jose to change his game plan, the type of players, the type of football he plays at United. Woodward doesn't want to back him with his old methods & either wants him to adapt or leave.
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    JK-27 Full Member

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    You need to calm down pal, I simply asked a question about what their position was on LVG, and you've gone in an internet rage on something completely irrelevant. I guess only having one ball will do that to a fella.
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    vangagal Full Member

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    What load of bollock. Fergie went to Moyes at first blink. Purpose of football club is to success and win trophies. Feck Moyes he was absolute trash. Dont you heard Fergie's apology after Moyes's debacle? He was only 5 or 6th choices. How convenient. Pep, Carlo, Kloop, Mou was on shortlist. Now you said he only good British coach when in fact other choices wasnt British at all.
    They washed their hand from their own mistake and never talked about it again. So high horse.
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    Moriarty Full Member

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    Don't be ridiculous.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    That's cool you believe what you want. Saf covered for himself putting Moyes in charge of a Job that was too big for him.

    Just saying historically all of our managers having been Scottish, English & Welsh until LVG & Jose. To assume that a homegrown aspect was not important in the decision of United is ridiculous considering everyone had been homegrown - which also resonatds with the type of football, growing players from the academy etc etc.
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    Rifer Full Member

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    Yeah, it's still not enough if we want to be champions. Need more building.
    No idea what connections you're trying to make here, or whether you even try to make one.

    Don't get your first part, but for the second one you're probably assuming -> if the rumours are true, Woody insist on keeping players like Martial, he also didn't tried hard to get Perisic so Martial and Rashford would get more game times (and they did the early half of last season, Martial had a good runs), and both Mou-Ed agreed to instill buy-back clauses on young players sold eg. Depay.
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    Needham Full Member

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    Lot of revisionist history in this thread. Fergie originally went to Moyes because Kanchelskis agent had Soft Cell needing him in triptych.
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    Rifer Full Member

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    Getting rare seeing LVG being credited for something good nowadays.
    • Guide club back to CL once at first, then out the next.
    • He did break the FA Cup curse of ours.
    • Bring these players into the squad: Martial, Rashford, TFM, Lingard, etc among others.
    I had to agree Mou build on LVG's work and put a spin of his own. Their works are not perfect though, as we can see clearly (no need to mention what as it's so obvious) but a lot better than Moyes who had no idea what he's doing in this big club. Basically both stabilized the ship but it's not enough - it's still a huge mess. We're not moving forward with Mou atm, well I can't see it.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    I don’t really understand though how a manager like Moyes fits into the philosophy of the club and what the philosophy actually is if you are happy with a manager of that caliber.
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    JK-27 Full Member

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    More rubbish. SAF was appointed in 1986. At this point, historically all the other major clubs at the time had also only ever had Scottish, English or Welsh managers, the influx of European players and manager had not yet happened in 1986. Liverpools first non-domestic manager wasn't until 1998, Arsenal's first non-domestic manager was Arsene in 1996, Chelsea's first non-domestic manager was Guillit in 1996.

    Come post 2010 and a domestic manager of an English club, let alone the national team, was no longer the norm so to suggest a club owned by a US family, with US sponsors, and a global fan base, that last had to appoint a manager in 1986, were focusing on appointing a domestic manager is ludicrous.
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    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    Yap, because Ed knows better than Jose. Remind me, how many titles Ed won as a manager? In how many clubs he was the manager? But of course that he can and should teach Jose Mourinho about football.
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    vangagal Full Member

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    What homegrown? POB of manager? I though homegrown is someone grew up from within our academy. Busby was playing for Liverpool and City. Fergie played for Rangers. None of them homegrown per se at United. Them being British doesnt equal United's homegrown at all. You talked bollocks as always. Your point was flawed yet you comeback with another flawed points.
    Second bold? What that has to do with Moyes?
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    Even if you're dead set against Mourhino there is no denying he would have handledr th CB situation in 2013 a lot differently. I would imagine the likes of Rio sticking another season