2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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nimic said:
You should be banned, your account deleted and all your posts redacted if all this actually turns into something. Only seems fair.
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I’ll take the chance. Just going off of the recent successes the right have had in the state legislatures or judicial systems.
 

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nimic said:
You should be banned, your account deleted and all your posts redacted if all this actually turns into something. Only seems fair.
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Shhhhhhh! Come on @nimic, just imagine the number of flaming cocks @calodo2003 will slap us with if he knows he is going down. The caf barely survived the election night cock torching, what will happen if he has nothing to lose?
 

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WI_Red said:
Shhhhhhh! Come on @nimic, just imagine the number of flaming cocks @calodo2003 will slap us with if he knows he is going down. The caf barely survived the election night cock torching, what will happen if he has nothing to lose?
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He'll leave a drawer full of flaming cock pics for his replacement to find.
 

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Can we trust the courts? The one good thing about lawsuits is that presented evidence becomes publicly available for all to see.
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Except there isn't any. Which is why they are getting thrown out of court. Often laughed out of court. Hardly surprising when you use a QANON conspiracy theory invention as a legal strategy https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dominion-servers-germany-seized/

As for Dominion - if claims are true that they have falsified elections not only in the US but also in Canada, Australia, the UK and Germany....I think it's in the interest of all of us to know about it. That would be an all out attack on Western democracy itself.
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30 seconds with Google and you would know that Canada, Australia and the UK don't use Dominion voting equipment or software in federal/general elections. Germany probably don't either but I can't be bothered to filter through the search results which are polluted by the QANON crap - Frankfurt being where the Dominion server was allegedly found to prove fraud - a city where they don't have a office.

The whole thing is fantasy no matter how much you find it attractive.
 

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I think it was @berbatrick that posted the data about Biden winning due to increased upper-middle-class white voter support but you can find articles quite easily that support what I've heard in person a lot. Do racists support yes? But in an electoral college system relatively small minority groups can swing vote and you ignore these deeper levels of analysis at peril.

You can't just reduce conservative religion, free-market fundamentalism, and anti-intellectualism into your "racist, sexist" dismissal or you aren't going to pull out the pillars around Trump's support that make his movement so dangerous.

"Why would Hispanic voters embrace a president who has been called the most racist and anti-immigrant in modern history? The most likely answer: religion. But even that isn’t a complete answer."
" Exit polling indicates that around one-third of Hispanic voters this year favored Trump over Joe Biden, and more than four in 10 voted for Trump in the swing state of Florida."
“The differences between Hispanic Protestants, Catholics, and those who are religiously unaffiliated persist through many questions in the survey, with Hispanic Protestants notably more pro-Trump, conservative and Republican than Catholics or those who are religiously unaffiliated,” she wrote. “Religion is the largest demographic divider among Hispanic Americans, excepting only partisanship, and the data show clearly that many have views that align with Trump and the Republican Party. It should come as no surprise, then, that many voted in that direction.”
https://baptistnews.com/article/why...standings-of-americas-diversity/#.X7lDFfXPyJA

"Black men shift slightly toward Trump in record numbers, polls show. Most Black men supported Biden, but overall, Democrats have been losing Black male support since 2008, according to NBC exit poll data."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...ward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

"But in a few majority Black and Latino wards here, this is where turnout for Trump in the city jumped the most in 2020. Other North Philly Trump supporters cited the coronavirus relief checks the president authorized as part of their motivation. Some criticized what sometimes felt like arbitrary business and community lockdowns mandated by Democratic electeds.“You couldn’t go to church, but the drugs were still running,” Torres said."
https://whyy.org/articles/trumps-ga...-latino-voters-are-not-a-gimme-for-democrats/

Then other analysis looks at the culture of honor and Trump fits into that moral value system:
"What accounts for Trump’s cross-racial appeal? It’s partly because of honor culture. In such a culture individuals—and men especially—are expected to defend their reputation for toughness. They must never back down or let even a small slight slide. Failure to do so is always read as weakness.

Honor culture is not just deeply rooted in the white working-class communities that have embraced Trump, it is common in Black and Latino communities as well. There, too, men must always project strength by respecting what sociologist Elijah Anderson called the “code of the street.” In the vernacular of the street, one must always “step up” when disrespected.
Trump, a child of Queens and a tough Scots-Irish mother, also believes he must always step up, as his endless Twitter feuds suggest. As Trump once put it: “Real power is fear. It’s all about strength. Never show weakness. You’ve always got to be strong. Don’t be bullied. There is no choice.”
Exit polls show that his supporters especially admire the President's strength. When asked to identify the quality that mattered most in voting for President, a 32% plurality of voters said “a strong leader.” Among those citizens, 71% voted for Trump. That figure was even higher in heavily Latino Florida, where 81% of such voters did likewise."
https://fortune.com/2020/11/06/trump-support-black-latino-men-rappers/

It's not just racism and sexism and its important people don't just reduce things like religion and value systems to those two simplistic things. By COVID handling alone, Trump should have lost in a landslide but it was far closer and unless people want to let things get even worse then they have to flip out of a black-white mindset and start parsing the shades of grey.
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Really interesting post.
 

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oneniltothearsenal said:
I think it was @berbatrick that posted the data about Biden winning due to increased upper-middle-class white voter support but you can find articles quite easily that support what I've heard in person a lot. Do racists support yes? But in an electoral college system relatively small minority groups can swing vote and you ignore these deeper levels of analysis at peril.

You can't just reduce conservative religion, free-market fundamentalism, and anti-intellectualism into your "racist, sexist" dismissal or you aren't going to pull out the pillars around Trump's support that make his movement so dangerous.

"Why would Hispanic voters embrace a president who has been called the most racist and anti-immigrant in modern history? The most likely answer: religion. But even that isn’t a complete answer."
" Exit polling indicates that around one-third of Hispanic voters this year favored Trump over Joe Biden, and more than four in 10 voted for Trump in the swing state of Florida."
“The differences between Hispanic Protestants, Catholics, and those who are religiously unaffiliated persist through many questions in the survey, with Hispanic Protestants notably more pro-Trump, conservative and Republican than Catholics or those who are religiously unaffiliated,” she wrote. “Religion is the largest demographic divider among Hispanic Americans, excepting only partisanship, and the data show clearly that many have views that align with Trump and the Republican Party. It should come as no surprise, then, that many voted in that direction.”
https://baptistnews.com/article/why...standings-of-americas-diversity/#.X7lDFfXPyJA

"Black men shift slightly toward Trump in record numbers, polls show. Most Black men supported Biden, but overall, Democrats have been losing Black male support since 2008, according to NBC exit poll data."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...ward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

"But in a few majority Black and Latino wards here, this is where turnout for Trump in the city jumped the most in 2020. Other North Philly Trump supporters cited the coronavirus relief checks the president authorized as part of their motivation. Some criticized what sometimes felt like arbitrary business and community lockdowns mandated by Democratic electeds.“You couldn’t go to church, but the drugs were still running,” Torres said."
https://whyy.org/articles/trumps-ga...-latino-voters-are-not-a-gimme-for-democrats/

Then other analysis looks at the culture of honor and Trump fits into that moral value system:
"What accounts for Trump’s cross-racial appeal? It’s partly because of honor culture. In such a culture individuals—and men especially—are expected to defend their reputation for toughness. They must never back down or let even a small slight slide. Failure to do so is always read as weakness.

Honor culture is not just deeply rooted in the white working-class communities that have embraced Trump, it is common in Black and Latino communities as well. There, too, men must always project strength by respecting what sociologist Elijah Anderson called the “code of the street.” In the vernacular of the street, one must always “step up” when disrespected.
Trump, a child of Queens and a tough Scots-Irish mother, also believes he must always step up, as his endless Twitter feuds suggest. As Trump once put it: “Real power is fear. It’s all about strength. Never show weakness. You’ve always got to be strong. Don’t be bullied. There is no choice.”
Exit polls show that his supporters especially admire the President's strength. When asked to identify the quality that mattered most in voting for President, a 32% plurality of voters said “a strong leader.” Among those citizens, 71% voted for Trump. That figure was even higher in heavily Latino Florida, where 81% of such voters did likewise."
https://fortune.com/2020/11/06/trump-support-black-latino-men-rappers/

It's not just racism and sexism and its important people don't just reduce things like religion and value systems to those two simplistic things. By COVID handling alone, Trump should have lost in a landslide but it was far closer and unless people want to let things get even worse then they have to flip out of a black-white mindset and start parsing the shades of grey.
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Great post. Langster needs to give it a like.
 

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langster said:

:lol:

So much winning.
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In his ruling, Brann said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations ... unsupported by evidence.”

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”
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oneniltothearsenal said:
Then other analysis looks at the culture of honor and Trump fits into that moral value system:
"What accounts for Trump’s cross-racial appeal? It’s partly because of honor culture. In such a culture individuals—and men especially—are expected to defend their reputation for toughness. They must never back down or let even a small slight slide. Failure to do so is always read as weakness.
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My entire adult life reading about the Middle East, all I've heard from a certain section of the Anglo right is about how Arabs are uniquely susceptible to the appeal of the strong horse, how they are bound by their tribal nature in a shame/honour culture, how they are vulnerable to the cult of the leader, and especially prone to whacked-out conspiracy theories. And how all these defective traits of the so-called 'Arab Mind' explain the dysfunction which characterizes Arab politics.

Watching significant sections of American society embrace Trump along these exact lines has been quite a trip these last few years.
 

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Is Trump really going to hide in his bunker, play golf, not face the US press/public or participate in the transition of power for the next two months?
 

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RedPed said:
Is Trump really going to hide in his bunker, play golf, not face the US press/public or participate in the transition of power for the next two months?
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It will probably go in phases. He will sulk until the electors seal the deal in December, then spend the remaining 5 weeks moaning about his grievances, preemptively sabotaging policies Biden wants to implement, and pardoning a laundry list of people. After December 14th, he will no longer have any reason to hide.
 

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Raoul said:
It will probably go in phases. He will sulk until the electors seal the deal in December, then spend the remaining 5 weeks moaning about his grievances, preemptively sabotaging policies Biden wants to implement, and pardoning a laundry list of people. After December 14th, he will no longer have any reason to hide.
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How would Americans view it if he refused to do the phone call, the armchair thing with Biden or blank the inauguration. Is it one of those unwritten rules that you just suck it up and do no matter what? I'm guessing he'll be the first not to do those things in a long time, if not ever?
 

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How would Americans view it if he refused to do the phone call, the armchair thing with Biden or blank the inauguration. Is it one of those unwritten rules that you just suck it up and do no matter what? I'm guessing he'll be the first not to do those things in a long time, if not ever?
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The country is divided so obviously his supporters like that he's still fighting, while a majority are appalled by his obstruction and lack of grace in bowing out after the loss.
 

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The country is divided so obviously his supporters like that he's still fighting, while a majority are appalled by his obstruction and lack of grace in bowing out after the loss.
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Yeah but I'm talking about the tradition, the protocol, the etiquette (if there is such a thing) of the office of the president. Are those things sacred? Like in our Parliament, there are certain things that politicians will always do regardless of their personal view/ego because it is the done thing, the tradition. They would not get away with riding roughshod over the institution. I'm just amazed at how easily Trump has managed to burn the whole thing down in just 4 years.
 

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RedPed said:
Yeah but I'm talking about the tradition, the protocol, the etiquette (if there is such a thing) of the office of the president. Are those things sacred? Like in our Parliament, there are certain things that politicians will always do regardless of their personal view/ego because it is the done thing, the tradition. They would not get away with riding roughshod over the institution. I'm just amazed at how easily Trump has managed to burn the whole thing down in just 4 years.
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no one cares about that nonsense. we need to pay rent and afford to see a doctor
 
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