2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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AOC came through with her work for Sanders during the campaign like none of the hard lefties expected her to and were slandering her for not endorsing Sanders from the very first minute. I think she has now seen Sanders lose the primary twice to uninspiring establishment characters and is not going to keep down a losing path and miss the chance to make any actual changes. Her coalition can be potentially bigger than Sanders given all the "Warren Democrats" are likely to support her as well.

It does suck that she has to back off from backing radicals to advance in Washington but if she is committed to causes like Green new deal and higher taxations on rick, it will pay off in the end.
 

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Context? Or are you glitching?

edit. Never mind I saw the article
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To be fair to be her, this will be the first time in her life where she has a stable income, job, healthcare and housing. It's quite clear that although correct on the issues, the Sander collation simply isn't big enough to win a democratic primary. Why risk all of the real material benefits above for a political ''movement'' that isn't so much a movement but instead a rather large donor base and some podcasts. She could spend the next decade having a somewhat relaxed life while making the odd viral political video every couple of years.

Also not to do whole stop getting socialism wrong! But she basically has the politics of Ed Miliband, she was hardly radical at the start(Just shows what kind of state the left is in)
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Symone Sanders, Biden spokeswoman, and Jill Filipovic, Guardian feminist, have both deleted all their tweets about Kavanaugh.
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:lol:

Girl power.
 

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Can someone tell why her views on Russia has anything to do with her allegations against Biden ?

The only interesting thing from the article seem to be that Tara has a issue with remembering how she got to DC(Which could be something but seems rather desperate from the authors tbh)
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It's not Russia, it's Putin. I don't know if it is relevant at all, but I'd like to hear more about it, especially given Putin's track record.

There's more than that in there. She also praised him, including recently for his stance on sexual abuse.
 

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It's not Russia, it's Putin. I don't know if it is relevant at all, but I'd like to hear more about it, especially given Putin's track record.

There's more than that in there. She also praised him, including recently for his stance on sexual abuse.
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Its doesn't matter just found out the writers are actually these two bro's


 
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Exactly why I said I wasn't a fan of the authors. The real question for me, is anything they said inaccurate?
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No the real question is the one I asked earlier which is what the feck does Russia or Putin have to do with the allegations(Which makes up the bulk of their article) ? So far the answer seems to be er.......Putin is bad.

Also her praising Biden and not remembering how she traveled to DC are hardly a extensive journalism but it's at least something based in reality. All they done is looked at a few interviews and her likes on twitter.
 
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No the real question is the one I asked earlier which is what the feck does Russia or Putin have to do with the allegations(Which makes up the bulk of their article) ? So far the answer seems to be er.......Putin is bad.

Also her praying Biden and not remembering how she traveled to DC are hardly a extensive summary, all they done is looked at a few interviews and her tweeter likes.
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I hear you on all you've said there aside from the history on Biden. That's odd to me. I'd include the extensive summary on her name changing being irrelevant as well. Hopefully something more comes out one way or the other to clear this up. Can't say I'm holding my breath though. It's a total cluster.

I'd give anything for a nominee without baggage. The country is building quite the record of bad nominees and presidents.
 

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The great thing about twitter is it can condense hours of content into a quick and easy to understand message

Noam Chomsky Manufacturing Consent but in tweet form


 

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Do they not know twitter is on the internet or that this makes them look awful ?
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Clearly not

It seems to be to attack the tone of the questioner and don't address the question. A bit....Trumpian
Give it a few days and they'll be complaining about Bernie bros toxic rhetoric
 

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Why should they care?
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Good point.

It's just if I tried to imagine myself as a mindless cynical liberal, I would like to think that I would be somewhat uncomfortable openly telling the internet I was one. They seem to take great pride in telling people they've sold out.

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Clearly not

It seems to be to attack the tone of the questioner and don't address the question. A bit....Trumpian
Give it a few days and they'll be complaining about Bernie bros toxic rhetoric
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Yeah this all started because the Bernie staffer raised the point that if you think Covid19 test should be free then why not treatments for cancer etc.
 

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Sweet Square said:
Good point.

It's just if I tried to imagine myself as a mindless cynical liberal, I would like to think that I would be somewhat uncomfortable openly telling the internet I was one. They seem to take great pride in telling people they've sold out.


Yeah this all started because the Bernie staffer raised the point that if you think Covid19 test should be free then why not treatments for cancer etc.
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Nothing matters, not even internet memory. Symone Sanders, quoted there "re-upping" her advice, deleted all her tweets about Kavanaugh. The internet remembers and that also doesn't matter, because nobody not on twitter knows who she is.

When he was in charge of the DNC, Rahm Emanuel blacklisted representaties and also operatives who worked against his centrist candidates. As Obama's chief of staff, he was responsible for pushing the bailout to be small, targeted to baks, and exclude prosecutions. As Chicago mayor, he covered up a police shooting to get re-election, and was endorsed by everyone except Bernie for that re-election. When he retired, he got a job at the Atlantic and his first column was about building public trust in institutions.

It is a club, you are not in it, and if you call them out, they have the common sense to tell you that you will not be in it. The implicit thing that what matters is not whether you think "#timesup" or showing that black lives don't matter to you, what matters is loyalty to the club. It comes back to taking power seriously (entre against the left, right against the centre) vs not.
 
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Nothing matters, not even internet memory. Symone Sanders, quoted there "re-upping" her advice, deleted all her tweets about Kavanaugh. The internet remembers and that also doesn't matter, because nobody not on twitter knows who she is.

When he was in charge of the DNC, Rahm Emanuel blacklisted representaties and also operatives who worked against his centrist candidates. As Obama's chief of staff, he was responsible for pushing the bailout to be small, targeted to baks, and exclude prosecutions. As Chicago mayor, he covered up a police shooting to get re-election, and was endorsed by everyone except Bernie for that re-election. When he retired, he got a job at the Atlantic and his first column was about building public trust in institutions.

It is a club, you are not in it, and if you call them out, they have the common sense to tell you that you will not be in it. The implicit thing that what matters is not whether you think "#timesup" or showing that black lives don't matter to you, what matters is loyalty to the club. It comes back to taking power seriously (entre against the left, right against the centre) vs not.
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So.......so......you're saying my posting means nothing ?


But jesus that bit about Emanuel is really really bleak. I've been thinking about this since the Biden allegations, there's a chance these people will always beat the left(In terms of electoral politics) because there is simply no level they won't sink to.
 

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About the left not taking power seriously, and the centre doing so. The WFP is the party that overturned their membership vote with their leadership vote to endorse Warren over Bernie. Theya re active only in NY and have a vert tenuous grasp on being relevant, so their eternal question is just how much they bend to the state Dem party in return for literally continued existence as a party (I haven't read the rules but it's to do with candidates appearing under more than one party and having to clear some total vote thresholds). So they do things like the Warren endorsement, last year they endorsed Cuomo's challenger but refused to back AOC and other challengers, etc. Walking that line.

Anyway -

He has dealt with them correctly for not endorsing him.
 

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But jesus that bit about Emanuel is really really bleak. I've been thinking about this since the Biden allegations, there's a chance these people will always beat the left(In terms of electoral politics) because there is simply no level they won't sink to.
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That wouldn't be a problem if the left was better organised, and had parallel instituions like media with wide reach. Without that you have to rely on shame and hoping the media carries what you want, which they will not. The ones who do, are the ones not in the club; Putin disinformatiskya or whatever journalists are called these days.
 

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That wouldn't be a problem if the left was better organised, and had parallel instituions like media with wide reach. Without that you have to rely on shame and hoping the media carries what you want, which they will not. The ones who do, are the ones not in the club; Putin disinformatiskya or whatever journalists are called these days.
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Agree to a certain extent bur I think if there was a better organised left and anywhere near the parallel institutions then the US would have some sort of labour party. The fact the left has to go through the democratic party is a sign of just how weak it is.

As a outsider looking in, the issues above seem to be small compared to the fact there isn't really a left in the US. The Sanders campaign is basically the entire american left and I'm not sure how more organised it could have been. Also I can't see the similar institution for the left in the near future because there simply isn't any money in left media. The progressive project could easily fall off after the Sanders campaign finishes.
 
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What’s the difference between the use of ‘liberal’ and ‘neoliberal’ in this context?
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Definition-wise, I couldn't find a consensus on the true meaning other than it being a distinct form of liberalism in my 60 seconds of Google research. For me, it's essentially the same thing — pro capitalists, pro Democratic establishment, virtue signaling, fake woke, too privileged to be in favor of bold changes for what they perceive as radical even though it's normal in modernized countries, etc. In my use here, I do so just to not explicitly say liberal due to the common use of it as a slur by conservatives and right wingers. And while it's not really an issue on here, people on other forms of social media automatically assume I'm a Trump stan if I say it there.
 

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To be fair to be her, this will be the first time in her life where she has a stable income, job, healthcare and housing. It's quite clear that although correct on the issues, the Sander collation simply isn't big enough to win a democratic primary. Why risk all of the real material benefits above for a political ''movement'' that isn't so much a movement but instead a rather large donor base and some podcasts. She could spend the next decade having a somewhat relaxed life while making the odd viral political video every couple of years.

Also not to do whole stop getting socialism wrong! But she basically has the politics of Ed Miliband, she was hardly radical at the start(Just shows what kind of state the left is in)
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We'll have to see how it plays out over time. While I'm not keeping tabs on her every day, she hasn't been a cheerleader for establishment Dem politicians so it's possible she's playing her cards while navigating among the DNC. We'll see.
 

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When I opened YouTube today I was bombarded with 10 short clips in the News section from Sky News Australia blowing smoke up Trump’s ass.

Not that I’d expect any different from a Murdoch’s outlet, but you can easily see how that type of incessant 24/7 coverage can really insulate people from reality, and explain his rising approval despite a bungled response worst than Katrina.
 

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I'm surprised Bernie isn't touting Medicare for all from the rooftops right now. This pandemic is his equivalent of Trump's refugee crisis.
 

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I'm surprised Bernie isn't touting Medicare for all from the rooftops right now. This pandemic is his equivalent of Trump's refugee crisis.
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Probably not the right time. You face a crisis with whatever system you have. Taking time now to talk about the system you wish you had would probably be perceived as unhelpful and even opportunistic. After this has passed is probably a better time to talk about reform.
 

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InfiniteBoredom said:
When I opened YouTube today I was bombarded with 10 short clips in the News section from Sky News Australia blowing smoke up Trump’s ass.

Not that I’d expect any different from a Murdoch’s outlet, but you can easily see how that type of incessant 24/7 coverage can really insulate people from reality, and explain his rising approval despite a bungled response worst than Katrina.
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I've given up on Sky uk for this reason.
Its right wing Republican influence is sickening.
 
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