2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Trump will win some black votes. But what do those peasants know? It is us, the white people, who should pontificate them, and explain to them that due to who they vote for, they ain’t black. And if they have a problem figuring out it they’re for Biden or Trump, they're ain’t black.
 

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Part of the appeal for moderates, centrists towards Biden is the inherent racism that comes baked in with him and the DNC. Unlike Republicans, they just don't say it out loud. If you can't see how Biden is a racist or why he appeals to closeted racists like some on here, then you are the target audience DNC appeals to.
So why did he overwhelmingly win black voters in the primaries then? Do they really just love racists?
 

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they are historically conservative democrats and O.B.A.M.A.
Didn’t they vote much heavier for Biden compared to Hillary? Both of whom are conservative Democrats, and both had O.B.A.M.A tag in their election cycle (and in case of Hillary, also the Clinton tag who was popular with them).
 

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White supremacist racist George Wallace wins over 90% of the black vote. But what do those peasants know? It is us, the white people, who should pontificate them, and explain to them that they have been voting all along for a racist. And if they vote for Wallace again, they're racists too.
 

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White supremacist racist George Wallace wins over 90% of the black vote. But what do those peasants know? It is us, the white people, who should pontificate them, and explain to them that they have been voting all along for a racist. And if they vote for Wallace again, they're racists too.
Except that he didn’t win that.
 

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Why is that an issue... your not black if you don't vote biden
The trouble with Klobuchar is that she doesn't seem to excite anyone, other than potentially some people in Iowa. He may choose her, but in fairness this should really come down to Warren and Harris imo.
 
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What Biden said is not out of the norm for the Democratic Party.
They believe they 'own' the black vote.

Old habits die hard you know. :smirk:
Someone should introduce you to the republican party, you would be shocked.
 

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Eboue, Berba, him, entropy have made it clear with hundreds of posts that they would rather prefer Trump than a flawed Democrat candidate. There are far many posts from them criticizing (down to pathological hate for Biden and Democrat Party) than Trump and GOP.
Plus the labeling of people as being racist and rapists. Red Dreams also likes to call Biden a pedophile for some reason.
 

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Part of the appeal for moderates, centrists towards Biden is the inherent racism that comes baked in with him and the DNC. Unlike Republicans, they just don't say it out loud. If you can't see how Biden is a racist or why he appeals to closeted racists like some on here, then you are the target audience DNC appeals to.
I think you are racist. Are you?
 

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The trouble with Klobuchar is that she doesn't seem to excite anyone, other than potentially some people in Iowa. He may choose her, but in fairness this should really come down to Warren and Harris imo.
Both would seem more logical though neither are particularly exciting either... Warren is too technocratic to be exciting


Both would destroy pence in a debate but I dont think that is particularly important and its a pretty low bar anyway

I suspect trump would prefer warren so they can double down on the pocahontas attack

Is there a deadline for picking somebody as it feels like the internal maneuvering needs to stop soon before it becomes too detracting ... its hard enough for the campaign to get coverage in cv19 and could do with less of that coverage being speculation on the vp... just pick somebody and go on the attack
 

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Trump isn't racist and either is Biden . Trump goes with what gets him the most whether its power or money .

Biden was clearly making a quip and knows there are black people who will vote Trump and Republican . What he was saying was he doesn't understand why they would same as he doesn't understand why anyone would
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Not sure if there is such a thing as "our" in this case. There are several different gradations of progressives ranging from the zealots on the fringes to your average Sanders or Warren supporter who understands what's at stake - including Sanders and Warren themselves, and millions who voted for them. The former weren't ever going to vote for centrist under any conditions anyway, so there would be zero value in attempting to assuage them. The latter on the other hand are needed to win, which is why they will have a seat at the table.
I think you can infer
 

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Trump isn't racist and either is Biden . Trump goes with what gets him the most whether its power or money .

Biden was clearly making a quip and knows there are black people who will vote Trump and Republican . What he was saying was he doesn't understand why they would same as he doesn't understand why anyone would
Trump is well known to be transactional. Everyone he encounters is either an obstacle or a stepping stone, and since he's also a highly accomplished liar, it would be hard to take anything he says seriously.
 

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Is now a centrist everyone who is to the right of Mao Zedong?

I am not talking about Biden who is clearly a centrist. But for people who want him to win, but who actually are quite left-wing themselves. People who even supported Sanders and Warren during the primaries.
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White supremacist racist Biden wins over 60% of the black vote. But what do those peasants know? It is us, the white people, who should pontificate them, and explain to them that they have been voting all along for a racist. And if they vote for Biden again, they're racists too.
 

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There is no classifying Red Dreams. 2 years of 'Mueller will do it guys' and another 2 years of 'Truth will win, policy matters and Bernie will win'. Now the cycle is reset back to 4 years ago that 'He'll pivot any moment guys, he's better than the Corporate Dems'.
 

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Trump is well known to be transactional. Everyone he encounters is either an obstacle or a stepping stone, and since he's also a highly accomplished liar, it would be hard to take anything he says seriously.
He can be all that and still be racist though. Central Park Five alone shows it.
 

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Trump isn't racist and either is Biden . Trump goes with what gets him the most whether its power or money .

Biden was clearly making a quip and knows there are black people who will vote Trump and Republican . What he was saying was he doesn't understand why they would same as he doesn't understand why anyone would
Trump’s incredibly racist, what are you even talking about?
 

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Trump is a sociopath . Racism to him is just a tool he can use to get what he wants
 

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Trump is a sociopath . Racism to him is just a tool he can use to get what he wants
Probably correct. If he can pit two people or groups against one another to advance his own aggrandizement, then he won't for a moment hesitate to do it.
 

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Is there a deadline for picking somebody as it feels like the internal maneuvering needs to stop soon before it becomes too detracting ... its hard enough for the campaign to get coverage in cv19 and could do with less of that coverage being speculation on the vp... just pick somebody and go on the attack
It probably won’t happen until at or just prior to the DNC convention in August.
 

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I use don't believe Trump thinks black people are inferior to him but rather he believes everyone is inferior to him.

I don't see any evidence Trump has any real feelings for anyone other than himself .
 

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When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations “absolutely ridiculous” and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.
“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”
Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana sued Trump for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.
 

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Okay, but what about when "what he wants" is not to have any black people living in his buildings? Saying it's just a tool is giving him way too much credit.

If it was a rich black person who would be good for his image you really think he would say no ?

Trump will use anyone no matter what race they are so long as it benefits him and he has shown that
 

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Some interesting numbers on Warren, especially among African Americans and Sanders supporters

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...eth-warren-vice-president-joe-biden-2020-poll

Warren is the best choice for Biden to excite some progressives and pragmatic independent voters. Harris and Abrams will win with the identity politics crowd and no one will be excited for the mean and condescending Klobuchar. He'd be better off running with a cardboard cutout of Jackie Kennedy than Klobuchar.
 

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If it was a rich black person who would be good for his image you really think he would say no ?

Trump will use anyone no matter what race they are so long as it benefits him and he has shown that
Look at his history. Yes Trump is a sociopath, yes Trump clearly only cares about himself and Ivanka but Trump is also, 100%, a racist. "Using" someone doesn't preclude the user from being a racist ya know.
 

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If it was a rich black person who would be good for his image you really think he would say no ?

Trump will use anyone no matter what race they are so long as it benefits him and he has shown that
That's the Trump equivalent of "I can't be racist, I know some black people". Of course he'd exploit anyone of any race or creed if he could gain from it, that doesn't change the fact that when there's nothing to gain from it he's still shown himself to be a racist.
 

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Warren is the best choice for Biden to excite some progressives and pragmatic independent voters. Harris and Abrams will win with the identity politics crowd and no one will be excited for the mean and condescending Klobuchar. He'd be better off running with a cardboard cutout of Jackie Kennedy than Klobuchar.
The one good thing of Klobuchar is that she is competent (similar to Warren, but a centrist). However, she won’t help much on the election.

I think it has to be between Harris and Warren. Harris for identity politics and Warren to excite some of the left wingers (not the radical, Stalin or bust). I think Biden shot himself on the foot by committing to have a woman as VP, it should have been Bernie and then would have walked the election.

Abrams should not be considered. From state representative to VP is a big jump. Many more qualified people than her should be considered first.
 

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The one good thing of Klobuchar is that she is competent (similar to Warren, but a centrist). However, she won’t help much on the election.

I think it has to be between Harris and Warren. Harris for identity politics and Warren to excite some of the left wingers (not the radical, Stalin or bust). I think Biden shot himself on the foot by committing to have a woman as VP, it should have been Bernie and then would have walked the election.

Abrams should not be considered. From state representative to VP is a big jump. Many more qualified people than her should be considered first.
So Medicare for All is radical? Only in the US (and wherever they forced their duopoly politics).

Majority of dems are in favor of it, never mind Bernie supporters.

Sounds like a good proposition to win an election by landslide.

Nah, feck that... let's run an old senile fecker without any single message or idea but "I'm Joe Biden and I just forgot what I was gonna say, but it sure can't be any worse than Trump".
 
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