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There are no centrist republicans. A "centrist" in today's lingo is just someone that whinges about decorum whilst voting continuously in favor for whatever legislation is put in front of them. No matter how insane/ideological it is.
Collins, Gardner, McSally etc. These are all traditional republicans who haven't quite managed to embrace the Trump train. Each of them are in trouble this November.
 

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Collins, Gardner, McSally etc. These are all traditional republicans who haven't quite managed to embrace the Trump train. Each of them are in trouble this November.
An updating tally of how often every member of the House and the Senate votes with or against the president.

Martha McSallyR AZ94.7%

Cory GardnerR CO88.9%

Susan M. CollinsR ME66.9%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Voting with trump 94, 88 and 67% of the time isn't "on the trump train"??

So because they recoil at him personally, yet wave through all his legislation, that's what makes them "traditional centrist republicans"??
 

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Voting with or against Trump doesn't make them any more or less centrist. They are simply doing what they need to, to survive while he's in office.
That gives absolute immunity to their ideological position. Yeah they continually vote in favour of highly ideological legislation, but really, deep down, i believe they are a centrist republican that has to hide their centrism.

What is a centrist republican if you can't measure it even with the most basic of guides like voting intentions? What makes McSally a "centrist republican" and John Cornyn a Right wing republican? Doesn't there have to be something that defines the term?
 

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That gives absolute immunity to their ideological position. Yeah they continually vote in favour of highly ideological legislation, but really, deep down, i believe they are a centrist republican that has to hide their centrism.

What is a centrist republican if you can't measure it even with the most basic of guides like voting intentions? What makes McSally a "centrist republican" and John Cornyn a Right wing republican? Doesn't there have to be something that defines the term?
Trump himself isn't a right wing Republican, so you can't measure other Republicans against his policies. This is a guy who over time has given more money to Bill & Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shumer, and other lib Dems than most actual Dems.
 

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Trump himself isn't a right wing Republican, so you can't measure other Republicans against his policies. This is a guy who over time has given more money to Bill & Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shumer, and other lib Dems than most actual Dems.
"Right wing republican" is descriptor couched in terms of ideology and the political ideology of that is expressed as legislation. Whether that is legislation sought by "right wing republican" on it's legislators (yet they remain outside the process) or undertaken by said legislators because of their ideology. Legislation sought and passed by trump and his party is well within the descriptor of right wing republican.

But again, unless we are going to define the term centrist republican in some concrete foundation i guess it's all just back and forth.
 

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He made the Republiicans pivot towards him. Brilliant move if you can do it.
And since he was already a big Dem donor, the US is ruled by a 1-party Pelosi/Schumer state. No wonder he keeps complaining about COUPS and DEEP STATE.
 

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If Bidens team had any sense whatsoever, there'd already be a video out on the Floyd murder.
 

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If Bidens team had any sense whatsoever, there'd already be a video out on the Floyd murder.
I dont know about that
"never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

plus he would probably come out with - see i told yall you aint really black if you cant figure out whose side to be on

Just leave it to trump for now and pile on heavy when the police finish their investigation
 

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Where's my arc, Paulie?
Timely reminder that there isn’t a single democrat with a record worse than Biden when it comes to criminal justice reform and militarizing cops. He built his entire career supporting racists and fighting for more cops, and more prisons.
 

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Oh no, Susie is gonna lose. Pray for Joe Manchin.
The Kavanaugh vote has worked great for her.
Her card was marked the moment she voted in favour of Kavanaugh. If I remember rightly there was obscene amounts of money donated to her rivals in Maine pretty much immediately after her vote.
 

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Collins, Gardner, McSally etc. These are all traditional republicans who haven't quite managed to embrace the Trump train. Each of them are in trouble this November.
Doug Collins?!
 

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Gaetz is such a fecking loser :lol:
Indeed - but hes clearly doing what hes being told and Im sure some trump appointee on the electoral commission will pick it up and run with it just as the trump appointee communications commissioner has jumped on the revoke 230 train
At some point people will wake up and realize that its taken real planning and work to drag american democracy down to his level and trump isnt as thick as some like to think he is
 

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Trump himself isn't a right wing Republican, so you can't measure other Republicans against his policies. This is a guy who over time has given more money to Bill & Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shumer, and other lib Dems than most actual Dems.
In the 1970s Trump was mentored by Sen. Joseph McCarthy's Chief of Staff (Roy Cohn) and instituted racist policies in his buildings
In the 1980s he palled around with Roger Stone, an extreme libertarian right-winger with a Nixon tattoo on his back who lobbied on the benefit of right wing dictators and touted Trump at the 1988 GOP convention as a future Presidential candidate
In the 2000s he started the most racist campaign against a President in the last 100 years, courted far right-wing populism with birtherism knowing it would endear him to the far right wing
And now in the 2010s he encourages supporters to believe:

"in a jaw-dropping series of claims that, if true, would almost necessitate anti-democratic revanchism. One has to believe that a cabal of evil scientists is making up climate science in exchange for grant money; that there is rampant, widescale voter impersonation fraud carried out by thousands of elections officials nationwide; that the “Deep State” concocted a scheme to frame Trump for Russian collusion but chose not to use it before the 2016 election; that shadowy forces are driving migrant caravans and diseases across American borders in the service of destroying white Republican America; that the entire news media is engaged in a conspiracy against the Republican Party; that grieving victims of gun violence and their families all across America want to take away guns as a pretext for stomping the boot of “liberal fascism” on conservative faces; and so on."

Yet you don't think he is a right-wing Republican because in the 1990s he gave some money to center-right Democrats (who instituted tough on crime and anti-welfare policies that Reagan would be proud of) because they were in power and he was desperate for government assistance with his bankrupt and failing businesses?

Trump is a far right populist. What he is not, is a Rockefeller Republican institutionalist but he is absolutely right wing and always has been.
 

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What Everyone Missed In Biden / Charlamagne Tha God Interview

Shows you how hard it can be for a dem to go live these days. That interview was something like 20 minutes long and Biden was pretty solid for all of it, then as they were disconnecting went off the cuff with that statement and now that's the story. A week later.

Trump would have said 25 more controversial things during his opening monologue and wed have moved on by lunchtime. Hell Trump could directly invoke the Miami police chief of 67 calling for blacks to be shot during protests and wed still have the real thinkers diving deep into Bidens gaff.
 

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It’s a bit surreal that the country is literally turning itself upside down, and president presiding over this debacle still has a really solid chance of winning a second term.
 

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Dems should just hire LincolnProject to make the advertisement for them. So much better compared to the nonsense Dems produce.
 
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