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Get him in before another club takes him.
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No one wants him?Get him in before another club takes him.
I'm pretty sure that's not the reason. You'd have to be insane not to recognise the tremendous work he did at Espanyol, Saints and Spurs. Yes, Ole deserved the job after that incredible run but now the experiment is over.No one wants him?
This.Rubbish. Woodward has overseen the last 7 years of decline. He is the common denominator.
Liverpool were literally on verge of administration. They were in a seriously bad way. Is that what's going to take for our fans to take action? Because there is no other way were getting rid of Glazers. Our fans a passive.This.
And he should not be allowed to oversee yet another management appointment. Remember at the start of this decade Liverpool were just as poorly run by clueless business buffoons and only turned things around by putting men in place that had knowledge of football. The appointment of Michael Edwards and it key and was a perfect environment for Klopp to succeed.
My point was they turned things around by getting the structure of the club right from top to bottom. Recruitment is world class from them now while United remain amateur. What has happened to this so called director of football that United was promised?Liverpool were literally on verge of administration. They were in a seriously bad way. Is that what's going to take for our fans to take action? Because there is no other way were getting rid of Glazers. Our fans a passive.
They didn't appoint an amateur manager - we did. Put Ole in that Liverpool structure 4-5 years ago and they would've been just as shit as they were before.My point was they turned things around by getting the structure of the club right from top to bottom. Recruitment is world class from them now while United remain amateur. What has happened to this so called director of football that United was promised?
Fans aren't going to get rid of the Glazers (in it for the money and pay no attention to any criticism) but at least someone in the board room should have a word in their ears about removing Woodward from his position of appointing or working alongside the next manager.
United had Mourinho and LVG two former top managers with CVs better than Klopp before the current "amateur" one was appointed. Klopp would struggle to succeed with the structure of United much like he did towards the end of his time with Dortmund. I think a lot of any decent available managers will avoid United so long as the club is so poorly run. Only the desperate ones off the back of poor runs themselves will say yes to this job as it pays well and you will receive a nice package if sacked, just ask Jose.They didn't appoint an amateur manager - we did. Put Ole in that Liverpool structure 4-5 years ago and they would've been just as shit as they were before.
While I had always questioned Poch’s elite coach status because his lack of silverware, our situation screams for someone who can build a squad. The club is not attractive to players and coaches, and have great expectation at the moment, which means Poch type of coach is the best candidate. I know people have preference for the German coaches. Thing is Poch had proven he can maintain a certain level in PL for years, while the German coaches had everything to prove. Not everyone would be another Klopp, and Klopp had to prove himself in style back at Dortmund.Poch has not won anything and has bottled numerous chances to, not sure where him and "serious ambition" comes into it
Key word is former top managers. We were late in both appointments. And one of those former top managers is currently as close to being retired as ever and the other one is managing the 'worst' club in his career since Porto.United had Mourinho and LVG two former top managers with CVs better than Klopp before the current "amateur" one was appointed. Klopp would struggle to succeed with the structure of United much like he did towards the end of his time with Dortmund. I think a lot of any decent available managers will avoid United so long as the club is so poorly run. Only the desperate ones off the back of poor runs themselves will say yes to this job as it pays well and you will receive a nice package if sacked, just ask Jose.
Whilst the sample size is really small at the moment and sure those young German coaches have much to prove, Nagelsmann propelled a relegation threatened side into CL for the first time in their history.While I had always questioned Poch’s elite coach status because his lack of silverware, our situation screams for someone who can build a squad. The club is not attractive to players and coaches, and have great expectation at the moment, which means Poch type of coach is the best candidate. I know people have preference for the German coaches. Thing is Poch had proven he can maintain a certain level in PL for years, while the German coaches had everything to prove. Not everyone would be another Klopp, and Klopp had to prove himself in style back at Dortmund.
Nagelsmann had been with Hoffenheim via different level for forever. His work with Hoffenheim is impressive, but with context, he had already preparation, know how with the club system.Whilst the sample size is really small at the moment and sure those young German coaches have much to prove, Nagelsmann propelled a relegation threatened side into CL for the first time in their history.
This year when he made the step up he's top at the BL and just qualified to the last 16 as a top of the group. Through in the Pokal as well after an emphatic win against Wolfsburg and has already proven during this season that he can overcome a bad run (5 games without a win).
He has also a very clear style and also being able to mix things up in terms of formation.
Our situation screams of someone who can use our players to their strengths and also can vary in terms of opposition.
Those German managers - Nagelsmann and Rose have that in them and despite being young can prove to be very effective appointments.
Are you in denial with how toxic United have become these last 7 years? The club has basically become the English AC Milan who keep changing managers without much improvement while not getting to the root of their problem.Key word is former top managers. We were late in both appointments. And one of those former top managers is currently as close to being retired as ever and the other one is managing the 'worst' club in his career since Porto.
There's absolutely no indication that Klopp would struggle to succeed with the structure we currently have.
This a 1000 times.Are you in denial with how toxic United have become these last 7 years? The club has basically become the English AC Milan who keep changing managers without much improvement while not getting to the root of their problem.
Former top manager only became refined after their spells with United. LVG shortly before he arrived at United won the Dutch league title for a lesser club and led the Netherlands to the World Cup semi final, two seasons before Jose arrived he won the Premier league for Chelsea. Both have spoken publicly about how poor United are run as a football club. I don't believe Klopp would have gone near such a poorly run club as United. He had impressive CV built up at Dortmund and said yes to healthy environment that allowed him to succeed further in managment.
Well it's not really. If we gave Pochettino the same set of players and the same amount of time I'm sure results would be similar, then we'd be talking about him being fired as well and how he's never won anything etc. No one's going to come in and turn everything around over night because we need a rebuild, which we are in the process of. If Solskjaer isn't trusted to do that then we should let him go now but it looks like the board trust him to at least get the recruitment right so this is us for at least the next season. Will be interesting to see what happens when we don't finish in the top 4 come the end of the season.I'm pretty sure that's not the reason. You'd have to be insane not to recognise the tremendous work he did at Espanyol, Saints and Spurs. Yes, Ole deserved the job after that incredible run but now the experiment is over.
He wouldn't now. Rose probably wouldn't either. I was explaining why he's a very popular choice and why he would most likely succeed everywhere he goes.Nagelsmann had been with Hoffenheim via different level for forever. His work with Hoffenheim is impressive, but with context, he had already preparation, know how with the club system.
RBL clearly had a good structure in place for years now. Bouncing back from several defeat is nothing comparing to dealing with unknown of higher up incompetence. It’s not mere tactic for us anymore, but dealing with bs string puller, and a random assemble of players. Poch initial start with Tottenham is closer to that description. And being realistic, why would Nagelsmann jump ship now when he‘s in good position to build himself a reputation for this sinking ship? He continues to do well, he can move to too club in their pomp in near future. Why takes this poison chalice? Poch is out of the job at the moment, with a point to prove and our situation doesn’t look like we can play the long waiting game.
Real have been doing that for decades and still appoint top managers without a question. Chelsea do that too along with many other top clubs.Are you in denial with how toxic United have become these last 7 years? The club has basically become the English AC Milan who keep changing managers without much improvement while not getting to the root of their problem.
Former top manager only became refined after their spells with United. LVG shortly before he arrived at United won the Dutch league title for a lesser club and led the Netherlands to the World Cup semi final, two seasons before Jose arrived he won the Premier league for Chelsea. Both have spoken publicly about how poor United are run as a football club. I don't believe Klopp would have gone near such a poorly run club as United. He had impressive CV built up at Dortmund and said yes to healthy environment that allowed him to succeed further in managment.
Our choice of managers was far worse than the state of the structures at the club. Steve McClaren won the Dutch league with a lesser team, and I'd honestly say he's a better manager than Van Gaal. Van Gaal causes nothing but trouble and chaos anytime he's at a big club. Van Gaal sold Zaha and promised us he would turn the likes of Januzaj, Lingard and borthwick-jackson into superstars if given time.Are you in denial with how toxic United have become these last 7 years? The club has basically become the English AC Milan who keep changing managers without much improvement while not getting to the root of their problem.
Former top manager only became refined after their spells with United. LVG shortly before he arrived at United won the Dutch league title for a lesser club and led the Netherlands to the World Cup semi final, two seasons before Jose arrived he won the Premier league for Chelsea. Both have spoken publicly about how poor United are run as a football club. I don't believe Klopp would have gone near such a poorly run club as United. He had impressive CV built up at Dortmund and said yes to healthy environment that allowed him to succeed further in managment.
Tremendous work? Take it easy a little bit. 0 trophies as a coach and getting sacked 2 of 3 clubs. Leaving Espanyol in relegation zone. Making Tottenham full with stars worse then us. Tremendous? I think not. Good coach although.I'm pretty sure that's not the reason. You'd have to be insane not to recognise the tremendous work he did at Espanyol, Saints and Spurs. Yes, Ole deserved the job after that incredible run but now the experiment is over.
Liverpool were bad at the start of this decade but they weren't that bad before Klopp arrived, under Rodgers they made a title challenge but it wasn't until Edwards was brought in before recruitment became spot on and that made Klopps job easier to succeed in.Real have been doing that for decades and still appoint top managers without a question. Chelsea do that too along with many other top clubs.
Poison chalice is a bit overrated. United is still a very popular choice.
LvG was past it, I'm not sure how you can argue about that. He won the Dutch league in 09 - was appointed in 2014. He managed a national side for 2 years before appointed at United. Sacked at Bayern in his last tenure at a club.
Jose also had his worst season at Chelsea the year he was appointed. He was the closest to a top manager we got and if it wasn't for his tantrums he was doing pretty well up until Sevilla.
Liverpool before Klopp was as bad as you can get. If we hire a top manager on the rise I'm pretty sure we will see that healthy environment pretty soon.
He also came in saved Espanyol from relegation. Yeah going to Saints and getting up as high as 8th in the league is tremendous work. He made Spurs arguably one of the best most consistent teams in the league for a period of time despite being on shoe string budget. Our own Sir Alex thinks highly enough of him for him to call him best manager in the league. Regardless, whether he won trophies or not, I think he definitely will at his next club.Tremendous work? Take it easy a little bit. 0 trophies as a coach and getting sacked 2 of 3 clubs. Leaving Espanyol in relegation zone. Making Tottenham full with stars worse then us. Tremendous? I think not. Good coach although.
He also came in saved Espanyol from relegation. Yeah going to Saints and getting up as high as 8th in the league is tremendous work. He made Spurs arguably one of the best most consistent teams in the league for a period of time despite being on shoe string budget. Our own Sir Alex thinks highly enough of him for him to call him best manager in the league. Regardless, whether he won trophies or not, I think he definitely will at his next club.
He's been home in the Southern hemisphere, so it's summer here!Ok, what’s Poch been up to? He can’t be doing the gardening, it’s fecking winter. Has he finished the model railway yet? Is Mrs Poch getting a bit aggrieved that he’s mooching about the house all day and it’s fecking up her routine? How about another bash at the old day job eh? This one’s pretty tempting as well: salary great, scope to develop the team....and you’re onto a winner purely because you can’t be as shite as the previous incumbents. Sounds a no-brainer to me
Or Marco RoseNot fully convinced by him. He says some strange things and I’m not sure his mentality is the right one for where we want to get back to. His football isn’t that attractive either.
I would rather someone like Nagelsmann.
Having just left spurs, and been considered a bit of a legend there (despite winning nothing), there was zero chance he was going to Arsenal.I'm pretty sure he had sign some sort of anti-rival clause during X period of time, hence the main reason he's not being appointed to the Arsenal job
He took over Espanyol when they were third from bottom. He left them dead last 2 years later. To call that tremendous work is far from truth. He did better with Southampton. I give you that. He then took Tottenham a step further than their previous managers but he also had internationals and big stars. Then we saw that he just fell apart this season and got sacked when club was in full speed dive.He also came in saved Espanyol from relegation. Yeah going to Saints and getting up as high as 8th in the league is tremendous work. He made Spurs arguably one of the best most consistent teams in the league for a period of time despite being on shoe string budget. Our own Sir Alex thinks highly enough of him for him to call him best manager in the league. Regardless, whether he won trophies or not, I think he definitely will at his next club.
Main reason he hasn’t been appointed for the arsenal job is because he’d be fecking stupid to take it, they’re in a worse state than we are and have nothing to spend by comparison.I'm pretty sure he had sign some sort of anti-rival clause during X period of time, hence the main reason he's not being appointed to the Arsenal job
Damn. Anyway, it must be finished by now, how long can a garden take?He's been home in the Southern hemisphere, so it's summer here!
Explain to me what parallels are we the same as AC. In the last 7 years AC Milan haven’t been in the champions league once!!! Once. They had investment for one whole season and have gone through as many managers as Inter who are currently top 3.Are you in denial with how toxic United have become these last 7 years? The club has basically become the English AC Milan who keep changing managers without much improvement while not getting to the root of their problem.
Former top manager only became refined after their spells with United. LVG shortly before he arrived at United won the Dutch league title for a lesser club and led the Netherlands to the World Cup semi final, two seasons before Jose arrived he won the Premier league for Chelsea. Both have spoken publicly about how poor United are run as a football club. I don't believe Klopp would have gone near such a poorly run club as United. He had impressive CV built up at Dortmund and said yes to healthy environment that allowed him to succeed further in managment.
Not lazy more like a very striking comparison. AC Milan a club just like United that was one of the worlds best football clubs on the field of play, admired and feared in equal measure by the opposition but nowadays year after year both stuck in a mediocre rut.Explain to me what parallels are we the same as AC. In the last 7 years AC Milan haven’t been in the champions league once!!! Once. They had investment for one whole season and have gone through as many managers as Inter who are currently top 3.
Stop with the lazy comparisons either talk some sense or don’t talk at all.