If that’s the case we could have signed him months ago.
Adrien Rabiot | signs 1 year deal at Juventus. See you all next year
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That's by some distance his best role, he was groomed to be Thiago Motta's replacement and was excellent. It's the box to box part that is underwhelming.Playing Rabiot as a holding midfielder
If we'd replaced Fred with FDJ (or any of the other half a dozen great options) and then replaced McTominay with Rabiot to play further forward with Eriksen, I wouldn't have a problem.
But my fecking word what a clownshow we are.
Has talent? When has he ever shown it? Massively hyped as a young player, literally never shown anything of it.
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FIFA have McTominay as 80 rated with Fred and Rabiot both 81 rated
So they think he's on par.
With PSG for years.
We were told there was no Plan B to de Jong and within one day of playing McFred a target was identified.
we do need numbers in midfield, but if Rabiot is touted as an alternative to FDJ its just laughable. Frankly i think the media have no clue and are just firing off names that are available and may also have been briefed by agents that are trying to move players. Rabiot might be and certainly i know Dumfries is from the 'Raiola' stable so this could all be media /agent nonsense.
Another clownish move if true.
Is it that difficult for a club of our stature to sign a player on their way up or at their peak instead of on their way down?
Is it that difficult for a club of our stature to sign a player on their way up or at their peak instead of on their way down?
This is nonsense. He’s a high intensity, hard working player who teams such as Juve and France regularly play for a reason.
Christ, people saying "he's better than McTominay so how can we refuse" don't half miss the point.
It's about setting good habits, and realising we aren't going to get to the top overnight. So what do you need to develop a team? You need hungry players, open to improvement.They should be better than what you have, yes, but also hopefully with some ability to grow. If they do not, then you can hopefully move them on when they are surplus to requirements.
What we're doing here is repeating the same old mistakes. Buying players from huge clubs that are not uptrending. Buying players on huge wages, especially ones that are not the best players around. Buying players with notable personality issues when we already have a team lacking togetherness and fight. Buying players at the last minute instead of having a profile in mind, and a list of targets that address it. This is just a random stopgap signing that we've been aware of for about 5 years, there is no precision.
The only favour we'd be doing is to Juventus. Why do we think they'd be happy seeing the back of a guy that isn't even that old for a minor fee? They don't think he offers them value for money paid. How can we keep advocating these types of signings and making the same damn mistakes over and over, and yet fans do it just because it's not McTominay on a team sheet. The club need to start acting with principles.
It's about setting good habits, and realising we aren't going to get to the top overnight. So what do you need to develop a team? You need hungry players, open to improvement.They should be better than what you have, yes, but also hopefully with some ability to grow. If they do not, then you can hopefully move them on when they are surplus to requirements.
What we're doing here is repeating the same old mistakes. Buying players from huge clubs that are not uptrending. Buying players on huge wages, especially ones that are not the best players around. Buying players with notable personality issues when we already have a team lacking togetherness and fight. Buying players at the last minute instead of having a profile in mind, and a list of targets that address it. This is just a random stopgap signing that we've been aware of for about 5 years, there is no precision.
The only favour we'd be doing is to Juventus. Why do we think they'd be happy seeing the back of a guy that isn't even that old for a minor fee? They don't think he offers them value for money paid. How can we keep advocating these types of signings and making the same damn mistakes over and over, and yet fans do it just because it's not McTominay on a team sheet. The club need to start acting with principles.
Just looked up the stats comparing Fred, McTominay, De Jong and Rabiot. Fred and de Jong were not surprisingly generally better across the board. The Rabiot and McTominay comparison was particularly telling.
In a worse, slower league, Rabiot, per 90 minutes:
THE GOOD
- Conceded fewer fouls from tackles (notthatshocked.gif)
- Had a better ground duel success rate
- Had fewer yellow cards
- Had the same number of red cards (0)
- Attempted more crosses
- Tackled ever so slightly more often (2.6 vs 2.5 for McT)
THE BAD
- Created the same number of chances
- Had the same number of assists
- Had the same number of blocks
THE UGLY
- Made fewer touches
- Scored fewer goals
- Attempted fewer passes
- Had worse pass accuracy
- Had worse long pass accuracy
- Had worse cross accuracy
- Attempted fewer (0) through balls
- Contested fewer aerial duels
- Had worse aerial duel success rate
- Contested fewer ground duels
- Made fewer clearances
- Made fewer interceptions
Based on these stats which cover the entirity of last season, Rabiot is a worse player than McTominay.
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The Juventus forum I looked on seemed to agree with @Lyng, complaining that Rabiot is lazy and uninterested for large swathes of games.
Ffs - Arnautovic, Rabiot. Can't believe our transfers.
Would take Aouar if they want a cheap option . Just stick with Iqbal than signing these stop gaps.
Would take Aouar if they want a cheap option . Just stick with Iqbal than signing these stop gaps.
He really doesn't. I'm not convinced he's a better player than Fred. He probably suits a more defensive midfield role than Fred but he's very poor on the ball which is an area where Fred is already limited (yet I'd still say Fred's better on the ball than Rabiot). He's better than McTominay yes, but so are many other midfielders. Serie A would be a good league to target for midfielders. Someone in another thread mentioned Bennacer as a potential alternative to FDJ and I think that's a really good shout. Despite having CL football Milan can't offer comparable wages to what we can. Fabian Ruiz was the player I wanted us to go for but he's gone to PSG now.
Can he be paired with Eriksen in the double pivot?
Yeah pretty much agree with this, I don't think the club had any intention of doing this deal though if I'm being honest and are now scrambling a bit. Maybe that's a sign they now don't believe De Jong will happen.
I hope not though, I hope its Rabiot plus De Jong
Rabiot is not very poor on the ball. It's so obvious that many of you have no clue about the player.
Transfer forum is popping after yesterday. What a godsend that result was!
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Spot on! If this happens it has to be along with FDJ
Sorry, I missed your original post. Pretty much what I suspected. A decent squad player, but no more than that really. Thanks.
Mate, McTomimay is tragic but we'd be better served getting Thomas Soucek ffs
€15m for him or spend another €15m and get Fabian Ruiz. Christ I’m at my wits end with this fecking club. No plan whatsoever for the future. It’s always stop gaps. feck this club.
In theory yes, but I don't know if Bruno is the correct partner.
Fabian Ruiz is not a defensive midfielder, and is joining PSG (we were reportedly in for him)
Interesting, I personally think the exact opposite. I think he's decent defensively but not very good when in possession
Replacing Scott McTominay with the French Scott McTominay? Nice
I’m reading Juve forum posts and the majority Im reading is how good and hard working he is defensively
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From a stats perspective, he has the profile of a box-to-box. He is 75th percentile for pressures amongst mids in top 5 leagues in Europe, 78th percentile for carrying the ball into the box among mids, 94th percentile for winning headers, 74th percentile for tackles and 78th percentile for goals amongst mids. Does he FEEL like a great player? Nope. But he is a good balance player.
This is my favourite post
I genuinely detest his presence at the club, but I'm going to try to be objective.
He runs a lot, I'll give him that. He's athletic and he does a lot of covering of space. If you watch any footage of a Juve counter attack, he's right there on the defensive end, and then again on the offensive end. Whether he has any involvement in either is a matter for debate, but the man moves.
Ooh, I wouldn't mind this transfer. Imagine him playing and the oppo fans are laying into him being mama's boy, then the camera pans towards his mom and she's on her feet flipping off at the oppo fans. Would be funny as shite, and makes watching our dross on the pitch a little less painful.
He would be an upgrade on our current midfield pair (not saying much), but it really does make our recruitment department look like a total mess.
Rabiot is not the answer to the #6 position. And it’s us. We will give him a 5 year contract and he will be here till he retires.
Tbf his previous season's stats look better.
With proper planning we could have gotten him earlier in the window though. Him and Laimer or Kamara were cheap enough that we could have signed them and still chased de Jong all summer. But we just had to get another CB I guess.
You are talking about folks 24hrs ago saying that -- its embarrassing that United has no Plan B. Then a few hours later, we need to pay whatever it takes to get FdJ.
Then another few hours later: we need to sign 3-4 players ASAP. Clown show!
Then a few more hours later: Him? WTF!!! We are a joke of a club for wanting him! Embarrassing.
The French are usually better footballers.
Based on literally everything I'm looking at, he would absolutely not be an upgrade. He has worse stats in a worse league adapted to slower play.
To help out on transfers? No.
Ruiz is laborious on the ball, he is a pretty good passer and moves relatively well for his size but with the ball at his feet, he is questionable. Rabiot is the opposite, he is comfortable with the ball and moves very well for his size, he is larger than Ruiz but is passing in the past 18 months has been timid, way too many hesitation and side passes. And Rabiot is a far better defender.
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