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If that’s the case we could have signed him months ago.Not quite - could be alongside FDJ
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If that’s the case we could have signed him months ago.Not quite - could be alongside FDJ
That's by some distance his best role, he was groomed to be Thiago Motta's replacement and was excellent. It's the box to box part that is underwhelming.Playing Rabiot as a holding midfielder
If we'd replaced Fred with FDJ (or any of the other half a dozen great options) and then replaced McTominay with Rabiot to play further forward with Eriksen, I wouldn't have a problem.
But my fecking word what a clownshow we are.
Has talent? When has he ever shown it? Massively hyped as a young player, literally never shown anything of it.He does, frankly his development has been very disappointing, his raw abilities should have led to a better footballer.
FIFA have McTominay as 80 rated with Fred and Rabiot both 81 ratedI didn't watch the lad, is he really THAT bad? Surely he would be upgrade on Fred and McT?
With PSG for years.Has talent? When has he ever shown it? Massively hyped as a young player, literally never shown anything of it.
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We were told there was no Plan B to de Jong and within one day of playing McFred a target was identified.
McTominay even has dirt on FIFA it seems.FIFA have McTominay as 80 rated with Fred and Rabiot both 81 rated
So they think he's on par.
This is nonsense. He’s a high intensity, hard working player who teams such as Juve and France regularly play for a reason.His attitude is terrible and it shows on the pitch. When he gives a feck he is quite good, problem is he hardly ever does. We should stay well clear.
Just looked up the stats comparing Fred, McTominay, De Jong and Rabiot. Fred and de Jong were not surprisingly generally better across the board. The Rabiot and McTominay comparison was particularly telling.I didn't watch the lad, is he really THAT bad? Surely he would be upgrade on Fred and McT?
The Juventus forum I looked on seemed to agree with @Lyng, complaining that Rabiot is lazy and uninterested for large swathes of games.This is nonsense. He’s a high intensity, hard working player who teams such as Juve and France regularly play for a reason.
He really doesn't. I'm not convinced he's a better player than Fred. He probably suits a more defensive midfield role than Fred but he's very poor on the ball which is an area where Fred is already limited (yet I'd still say Fred's better on the ball than Rabiot). He's better than McTominay yes, but so are many other midfielders. Serie A would be a good league to target for midfielders. Someone in another thread mentioned Bennacer as a potential alternative to FDJ and I think that's a really good shout. Despite having CL football Milan can't offer comparable wages to what we can. Fabian Ruiz was the player I wanted us to go for but he's gone to PSG now.Anyone turning their nose up at this after watching those 2 clowns in midfield yesterday, needs their heads checked. I dont care what 'baggage' he is/has.... He walks into our team and improves it
Can he be paired with Eriksen in the double pivot?That's by some distance his best role, he was groomed to be Thiago Motta's replacement and was excellent. It's the box to box part that is underwhelming.
Yeah pretty much agree with this, I don't think the club had any intention of doing this deal though if I'm being honest and are now scrambling a bit. Maybe that's a sign they now don't believe De Jong will happen.@Cassidy
If I remember correctly we talked about the timing of signing De Jong a few days ago and had a difference of opinion. This type of dealings is where I agree with your stand, Rabiot and a back up strikers aren't the kind of deals that United should be doing at this time of the window, Rabiot's contractual situation means that Juventus want him out or extended as soon as possible and if he was a target he should have been signed a while ago. And if previous reports are correct he has been a target since May or early June.
Rabiot is not very poor on the ball. It's so obvious that many of you have no clue about the player.He really doesn't. I'm not convinced he's a better player than Fred. He probably suits a more defensive midfield role than Fred but he's very poor on the ball which is an area where Fred is already limited (yet I'd still say Fred's better on the ball than Rabiot). He's better than McTominay yes, but so are many other midfielders. Serie A would be a good league to target for midfielders. Someone in another thread mentioned Bennacer as a potential alternative to FDJ and I think that's a really good shout. Despite having CL football Milan can't offer comparable wages to what we can. Fabian Ruiz was the player I wanted us to go for but he's gone to PSG now.
Spot on! If this happens it has to be along with FDJRabiot plus De Jong/Other, then ok. Rabiot to join fred and mctominay? Pointless.
Sorry, I missed your original post. Pretty much what I suspected. A decent squad player, but no more than that really. Thanks.I already shared it, he is a decent player. A jack of all trades, master of none. You can use him in multitude of roles and he will do a decent job but rarely make you think that he is great. He also rarely turns into a shit performer, it happens but it's not common.
Mate, McTomimay is tragic but we'd be better served getting Thomas Soucek ffsYou are joking me right? Trash? Do you watch him regularly? You think hes no better than McTominay?
In theory yes, but I don't know if Bruno is the correct partner.Can he be paired with Eriksen in the double pivot?
Fabian Ruiz is not a defensive midfielder, and is joining PSG (we were reportedly in for him)€15m for him or spend another €15m and get Fabian Ruiz. Christ I’m at my wits end with this fecking club. No plan whatsoever for the future. It’s always stop gaps. feck this club.
Interesting, I personally think the exact opposite. I think he's decent defensively but not very good when in possessionHe looks comfortable on the ball and can carry it, which is what we desperately lack in midfield. I'm on board.
I’m reading Juve forum posts and the majority Im reading is how good and hard working he is defensivelyThe Juventus forum I looked on seemed to agree with @Lyng, complaining that Rabiot is lazy and uninterested for large swathes of games.
Just looked up the stats comparing Fred, McTominay, De Jong and Rabiot. Fred and de Jong were not surprisingly generally better across the board. The Rabiot and McTominay comparison was particularly telling.
In a worse, slower league, Rabiot, per 90 minutes:
THE GOOD
- Conceded fewer fouls from tackles (notthatshocked.gif)
- Had a better ground duel success rate
- Had fewer yellow cards
- Had the same number of red cards (0)
- Attempted more crosses
THE BAD
- Created the same number of chances
- Had the same number of assists
- Had the same number of blocks
THE UGLY
- Made fewer touches
- Scored fewer goals
- Attempted fewer passes
- Had worse pass accuracy
- Had worse long pass accuracy
- Had worse cross accuracy
- Attempted fewer (0) through balls
- Tackled ever so slightly more often (2.6 vs 2.5 for McT)
- Contested fewer aerial duels
- Had worse aerial duel success rate
- Contested fewer ground duels
- Made fewer clearances
- Made fewer interceptions
Based on these stats which cover the entirity of last season, Rabiot is a worse player than McTominay.
Rabiot is not the answer to the #6 position. And it’s us. We will give him a 5 year contract and he will be here till he retires.Fabian Ruiz is not a defensive midfielder, and is joining PSG (we were reportedly in for him)
Tbf his previous season's stats look better.Just looked up the stats comparing Fred, McTominay, De Jong and Rabiot. Fred and de Jong were not surprisingly generally better across the board. The Rabiot and McTominay comparison was particularly telling.
In a worse, slower league, Rabiot, per 90 minutes:
THE GOOD
- Conceded fewer fouls from tackles (notthatshocked.gif)
- Had a better ground duel success rate
- Had fewer yellow cards
- Had the same number of red cards (0)
- Attempted more crosses
THE BAD
- Created the same number of chances
- Had the same number of assists
- Had the same number of blocks
THE UGLY
- Made fewer touches
- Scored fewer goals
- Attempted fewer passes
- Had worse pass accuracy
- Had worse long pass accuracy
- Had worse cross accuracy
- Attempted fewer (0) through balls
- Tackled ever so slightly more often (2.6 vs 2.5 for McT)
- Contested fewer aerial duels
- Had worse aerial duel success rate
- Contested fewer ground duels
- Made fewer clearances
- Made fewer interceptions
Based on these stats which cover the entirity of last season, Rabiot is a worse player than McTominay.
With proper planning we could have gotten him earlier in the window though. Him and Laimer or Kamara were cheap enough that we could have signed them and still chased de Jong all summer. But we just had to get another CB I guess.Fabian Ruiz is not a defensive midfielder, and is joining PSG (we were reportedly in for him)
You are talking about folks 24hrs ago saying that -- its embarrassing that United has no Plan B. Then a few hours later, we need to pay whatever it takes to get FdJ.Rabiot is not very poor on the ball. It's so obvious that many of you have no clue about the player.
The French are usually better footballers.Replacing Scott McTominay with the French Scott McTominay? Nice
Based on literally everything I'm looking at, he would absolutely not be an upgrade. He has worse stats in a worse league adapted to slower play.He would be an upgrade on our current midfield pair (not saying much), but it really does make our recruitment department look like a total mess.
To help out on transfers? No.Didn't they get Gill and Fergie in to help out? And then they do this.
Ruiz is laborious on the ball, he is a pretty good passer and moves relatively well for his size but with the ball at his feet, he is questionable. Rabiot is the opposite, he is comfortable with the ball and moves very well for his size, he is larger than Ruiz but is passing in the past 18 months has been timid, way too many hesitation and side passes. And Rabiot is a far better defender.Fabian Ruiz is not a defensive midfielder, and is joining PSG (we were reportedly in for him)