Only if they're midtable players like Muamba, Fletcher, Larsson or Park. Still if you want to be pissed over in CM by Spurs have it your way.
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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Also, why is Denilson still at Arse in that case?
Well we were hardly 'pissed over' considering you yourself didn't seem to think Van Der vaart did much after the first 10 minutes and unless im mistaken we had the majority of possession in yesterdays match...
Indeed we did, just checked, 52%.
Indeed we did, just checked, 52%.
The clock's ticking but he's not a starter after all.
We'll put Arsenal in their place as usual on December 13th. Park will score too.
Again.
People are using stat's / graphs to justify how good a player is and it simply isn't like that in the real world. Do you even go to see United play these days?
Scholes is class has been there for years. His is a football inteligance that tell's you when to pass out wide or through the middle instead of playing the 5 yard pass.
His is the work rate and effort that means running hell for leather and making a challenge to make up for a mistake. Yeah sometimes he goes in late and we all close our eye's and go 'oh god not again' but that drive and commitment is something we've not seen from Carrick for TWO YEARS.
Carrick doesn't work hard enough defensively these days, his work rate is poor and makes no effort to get forward on the counter attack, which is the football that has made us feared and famous.
My point is. Scholes doesn't need to pass into the box to create chances because he has a brilliant footballing brain that tell's him to play a inch perfect long pass out wide or to the running man in the middle that will set up a goal. While Carrick will ALWAYS opt for the safe 5 yard pass. He's a passenger. Nothing more.
We criticise Arsenal for always going on about 'oh we dominated possession'. In football it doesn't work that way. Team that dominate possession don't always win. Team that play that risky pass through the middle or out wide to create the chance are the ones that generally put teams a head, because let's face it, With or Without possession if you're not creating chances you won't win the game.
Carrick does not win games nor create chances. He's a passenger.
In a 5 man midfield we can afford him. In a two man? He's a waste of space.
Park must be averaging a goal a season at The Emirates these days.
Is that why you wish he'd been fecked off ages ago?
Are you Piers Morgan?
Just when we thought we'd got rid of him...To be fair, there was a time when I looked at Spurs' squad with envy and then we always beat them and you start to realise that you're not giving the players we have the credit they deserve. Perhaps a case of familiarity breeding contempt? Perhaps a case at looking at a cow in someone else's field?
...or a couple of mules in your (central mid) field?
Think it's time we did an Arsenal assessment for Storey to put him back in his box.
Goalkeepers - all shite. Championship level.
Defence - merely average, no star quality in Vidic or Evra moulds. Clean sheets very rare. Spurs level defenders basically.
Midfield - Fabregas is only world class player who orchestrates basically everything (Barcelona bound - screwed when he's gone). Rest have it all to prove or flatter to deceive.
Attack - Capable of having odd purple patch (usually in home games against shit opponents) but tend to go missing when chips are down, or just go missing for months on end like Arshavin. Frequently crocked in innocuous tackles due to being spineless pansies.
Fair assessment?
Give him his Nasri too
There you go..
I'll agree on one thing: Carrick doesn't quite look up to his former work rate, particularly in terms of sprinting. He does look a tad more sluggish, although he has never given the impression of an angry wasp, to put it mildly.
What I'll put forward is that Carrick does bring a lot of exactly the things you credit Scholes for: The right pass at the right time into the right space. Whereas Fletcher, Nani, Park and Vidic repeated plays comrades into difficult positions, holds the ball at the wrong time, starts the attack at the wrong side of the field, Carrick nine times out of ten - against spurs - played the optimal pass in order to make the United play flow better. Including quite a few very promising up-field passes. Even though he is not in full tilt physically as it seems, I think Uniteds play is more assured, more sound, when he is in the team. What was lacking against spurs was mostly the interplay in attack. Fletch was sloppy, Nani in and out, Chicharito willing but hit and miss, Berbatov dire. Park by far the best, but even then he can't provide the attacking interplay that Ronaldo, Rooney, at times Tevez, at times Berbatov and at times Giggsy have the last few years.
Carrick is not a playmaker of the Zidane mould (Oh, really?), but he can make great players look like Zidane (or more like it, ROnaldo). A dire Berbatov will still look a bit dire, mind you.
Purple-patcher. Frequently disappears when the chips are down. Has he ever made a telling contribution in a game against us for instance?
Compare with Nani - you could make a youtube compilation of his goals and assists against Arsenal.
He scored twice in a 2-1 win against us.
Just the two matchwinning goals in his first appearance v you.
You really are ignorant to qualities other than passing and reacting to contact like a fairy aren't you? Seriously, you've won nothing with your one-dimensional identikit squad while the player's you're so keen to slam have won Premiership medals and a European Cup medal, something no Arsenal player has ever achieved may I add. They also have character, another trait in such short supply at the Emirates these days.
I suggest you get you're head out your arse and look a little closer to home for dirty, cheating, and ultimately "not good enough" player's.
You haven't got Ronaldo anymore so that's the end of all that.
We didnt need Ronaldo to beat you 3-1 on your own turf to be fair.
Christ we didnt even need Ferdinand and Vidic now i recall....
Care to explain our mules doing the double over your prize bulls last season without Ronaldo then?
Goalkeepers - VDS is in his last year, but when he retires we won't do an Arsenal and replace him with an Almunia. Unlike Wenger, Fergie learns from his mistakes. I'd have PIG over any of the Arsenal clowns.
Defence - Vidic and Evra are the best (or thereabouts) in their positions in world football. Not a bad pair to build a defence around. Rafael has put quite a few big players in his back pocket despite his youth - hopefully he won't do a Clichy and become basically useless.
Midfield - Frequently out-possesses and out-fights your troupe of pansies, as well as basically any other midfield bar Barcelona. Will need some surgery after retirement of veterans but nowhere near as reliant on them as Arse are on Fab.
Attack - Rooney is genuine star quality capable of huge goal tallies. Berbatov is a purple-patcher, much like your entire attack. Nani's the business, and Valencia was the best right-sided attacker in the league last year. From what little we've seen of Hernandez for United and Mexico, he looks like he can do the business, and in big games when the chips are down (somewhere where Arsenal are frequently found wanting).
And they're some of your better players, let's not go through the roll-call of the mediocre.
In Peter's book we're basically a mid-table side that has managed to fluke its way above Arsenal for five straight years, gathering about 70 points more in the league during that period, has miraculously gone further in CL in all but one years and hasn't lost to Arsenal in a while (two or three years, can't remember how long it's been). It's all pure fluke and completely undeserved.
In Peters book our midfield is utter shite, the same midfield that's had Arsenals 'stella quality' over a barrel for god knows how many years now...
Hes in WUM mode though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
Hes in WUM mode though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
How do you come to that conclusion? My clear point is that you have some midtable players whose deficiencies are masked by the quality of others. Hardly the same thing is it?
You've basically singled out most of our players and called them shit or average recently, it's not that you think there are some mid-table players here, it's that you think that nearly all of them are like that and that's plain wrong.
The thing is Storey. Apart from Barca bound Fabregas and a couple of fair-weather attackers your team is pretty average. But you never seem to want to talk about it or admit it, prefering instead to highlight our weaknesses. It's like in your mind Arsenal are the ones who are competing at the sharp end year in year out, when in actual fact you bottle it every year, and nevermind actually winning trophies, you haven't even looked like winning a trophy in close to half a decade, not even a near-miss or a shit luck scenario. Yet I never see you hold your hands up and admit that your squad is full of born losers. You're quite happy to come into the United forum and tell us how average our players are and how we should have got rid of Fletcher and Park, but you're very quiet when asked to elaborate on why Arsenal have been our bitch for half and decade and counting.
Peter you WUM.
Ouch. Expect Peter to whine about Fletcher not getting a card compared to Song Billong (he's got a name like some shit australian song)
Wonderful!!
His best game in over 18 months.
And still we always finish above you with our shite team..
Storey getting owned
Storey is, without a doubt, on a WUM.