Also interesting that Liverpool and City are by quite a large margin 2 of the bottom 3 teams in terms of letting your goalkeeper hoof the ball away.
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Loved Pepe & Alisson looks to be from the same school of keepers. Has looked very tidy so far but will have to wait a few before getting too excited. Love the discipline he & VVD have provided the back line!
Yup. You're all pretty high up short range.
Goalkeeper Short Range Passing:
Club - Player - Short Range Passes - Percent Successful
Arsenal - Petr Cech - 48 - 97.9%
Manchester City - Ederson - 39 - 92.3%
Chelsea - Kepa Arrizabalaga - 38 - 97.4%
Liverpool - Alisson - 37 - 97.3%
Tottenham - Hugo Lloris - 35 - 97.1%
Newcastle United - Martin Dubravka - 23 - 95.7%
Everton - Jordan Pickford - 19 - 94.7%
Manchester United - David De Gea - 18 - 88.9%
Fulham - Fabri - 16 - 100%
Leicester - Kasper Schmeichel - 14 - 100%
Wolverhampton Wanderers - Rui Patrício - 14 - 100%
Watford - Ben Foster - 11 - 100%
Crystal Palace - Wayne Hennessey - 10 - 100%
Burnley - Joe Hart - 8 - 100%
Bournemouth - Asmir Begovic - 8 - 100%
Huddersfield - Ben Hamer - 6 - 100%
West Ham - Lukasz Fabianski - 6 - 100%
Brighton - Mat Ryan - 5 - 100%
Southampton - Alex McCarthy - 3 - 66.7%
Cardiff - Neil Etheridge - 0 - 0%
Some of his passes last night were outragerous.
His dad Boris must be very proud.
His passing stats from last night. His distribution is definitely one of his stronger points.
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You pay for quality, you get quality. The long ball he pinged in the second half to K8A (yes, it's a thing now) was glorious. I don't think people realise just how good Palace were in parts of that game, despite our recent record at Selhurst park getting the 3 points yesterday was mighty impressive. Especially factoring in they were inches away from almost beating City there last year.
Why does this not surprise me in the slightest...
Edit: Dubravka appears high on both lists, he's been a great signing for Newcastle
If anything, he doesn't see enough of the ball. Which is bizarre to say about a goalkeeper.
As a Liverpool fan am loving having a class keeper. His so good with is feet and love some of his passing. Am not going to make any bold statements of him being better then XYZ but its just nice having a keeper we trust. Hasnt really been tested but am confident he can pass those with flying colours
2 games against West Ham and Crystal Palace
Source? Find it hard to believe Ederson is the 2nd worst in the league for passing, short or long.
Ederson usually plays out short so I'd imagine most of his "long passes" are just hoofs upfield while under pressure, rather than actual attempts at passing to a specific player.
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Ederson also has an assist. So if you want to use a tiny sample size to mean anything 1 assist for 18 long passes means he gets an assist 5.5% of all long range passes. Sounds pretty great doesn't it.
So Dave’s short passing is the worst in the league. Is anyone at Manchester United playing well so far this season?
Think Ederson looks better, personally. Think both are rather overrated, though.
He just posted the stats mate. Don't get your knickers in a twist because you don't like them.
Haven't seen anyone here say anything other than ederson being a very good long range passer.
This was his third or fourth touch for the club. He doesn’t lack confidence!
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One of the worst yeah. Not a great start for any of our players honestly.
It was more an attempt at irony to say that looking at statistics after two games is meaningless because the sample size is too small to gleam really anything from. Should have went with the more obvious example of Ederson's assist showing he has an assists in 50% of matches to show how with a small sample size statistics dont mean much.
Of course the sample size is too small but it's all we got at the moment isn't it? And it indicates what we all expected as well tbf. You wouldn't be here arguing about sample size if Ederson was best and not one of the worst in one of the categories
A better comparison would be last season's stats, which say Alisson's and Ederson's passing percentages were pretty similar. Alisson a little better on long passes, Ederson on short ones.Of course the sample size is too small but it's all we got at the moment isn't it? And it indicates what we all expected as well tbf. You wouldn't be here arguing about sample size if Ederson was best and not one of the worst in one of the categories
De Gea’s passing is a bit worrying tbh. It seems to have gone backward since he arrived, and last season appeared as a weakness. This year, it seems like half of our chances against started from him.One of the worst yeah. Not a great start for any of our players honestly.
Nothing ironic about it. I was the one who compiled all of the stats for all goalkeepers in the top 5 leagues last season.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/alisson-becker.440184/page-5#post-22828215
Can't have anyone daring to insult little ole Ederson eh?
A bit, yes. They have some positioning issues since brazilian keeper training methods are still a bit outdated. Allison has a better aerial game, but Ederson has better reflexes and his ability to stop PK's is considerably good.
Shaw seems to be doing well so far
Well based on last seasons performances i'd say Allison is the better stopper, only Jan Oblak and De Gea had better stats than Allison.
Allison faced 135 shots and conceded 28 which means he let 20.7% of shots in.
Ederson faced 82 shots and conceded 26 which means he let 31.7% of shots in.
The average for goalkeepers letting shots in last season was 32.0% from 113 goalkeepers in the top 5 leagues. So Ederson in that regard was slightly above average. It'll be interesting to monitor how they all do tbh. Ederson for me is an average goalkeeper but good passing which fits with Citys play.
Just because its all you have doesn't mean you have to use it. I do a lot of data analysis at work. If i ever presented some analysis using data with such a small sample size and said well thats all i had it wouldnt go well. This isn't to detract from Alisson. It appears he has had two great games. The long pass to Salah was amazing. And his pass statistics are very good so far. Just wouldn't use whole league statistical comparisons to show how well he has played in comparison to other keepers after two games since it doesn't really show anything in my opinion.Of course the sample size is too small but it's all we got at the moment isn't it? And it indicates what we all expected as well tbf. You wouldn't be here arguing about sample size if Ederson was best and not one of the worst in one of the categories
Thanks for doing that last season was very interesting. Not sure the relevency in regards to this though? Didn't really see any insult to Ederson.Nothing ironic about it. I was the one who compiled all of the stats for all goalkeepers in the top 5 leagues last season.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/alisson-becker.440184/page-5#post-22828215
Can't have anyone daring to insult little ole Ederson eh?
Looks really good but he's only played two games in which he's barely been tested. I'll wait a while before spunking my load.
We've got games coming up against Spurs, Chelsea and City after the international break. That's where we'll see what he's made of.
Whereas balls bounced off Karius, Alisson looks assured and comfortable catching the ball.
I was never worried about the ball coming into our box, plus it helps to have an excellent defence in front of him.
I was never worried about the ball coming into our box, plus it helps to have an excellent defence in front of him.
He's good. Too early to tell how good though: top 5 or more like top 10 in the world. Anyway he's a massive improvement ot Karius/Mignolet.
Based on the last 2 games alone surely?
Early days but has been a good start for him - let's see if he can keep it up. He has yet to be really tested in goal.
I think it's safe to say two games into the season that him and VVD are the greatest ever in their respective positions.
I'm going to wait one more game to call Keita the best midfielder ever.
I'm going to wait one more game to call Keita the best midfielder ever.
He did look great last night, but you are right to be cautious. One or two costly errors in those high profile fixtures and he could suddenly turn a bit Karius.
it's funny how this happens year after year. The hype and expectation. I just hope it ends the way it has for a generation now. Scouse tears and United fans laughing their heads offMissus thinks he is a good looking chap.
That's my contribution to this thread.
That's my contribution to this thread.
Good start , but way too early to make judgements. Only takes one or two mistakes for the media to go after you and ramp the pressure up!
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