I'm not jumping to conclusions, I got an email from MUST telling me he's posted in the wrong thread.
All change of ownership and Red Knights related posts here please
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Well it's a bollocks theory and a bollocks example. Football is entertainment for the ordinary man not some collectors' nonsense like hoarding expensive timepieces. It should be priced like the cinema which it traditionally was.
How about cheaper seating ie benches(behind the goals). This way we'd get more fans and not lose any revenue. Or am I talking bollocks?
When you look at the stadia in Germany and the way they're run I don't think there should be anything stopping them from looking at standing areas in grounds again. I realise there's a lot of historical context in the UK but the game is being torn away from its roots and this would be welcomed by a majority of matchgoing fans, IMHO.
Safe standing would add another 15-20K - I think Westfalen's capactiy increases to over 80K from 60K(all seater). Makes sense to me.
I take it you've both signed the FSF Petition?
TBH, I'm a little disappointed the total is at just 12,000 signatures. Not sure politicians are impressed by that sort of number in this day and age.
TBH, I'm a little disappointed the total is at just 12,000 signatures. Not sure politicians are impressed by that sort of number in this day and age.
Just signed it, hadn't seen it until now. Cheers.
It is indeed a terrible example. At best it explains (not very well) why prices are so high, but it in no way justifies the situation.
You're quite right that football should have remained priced like cinema, but unfortunately, left to market forces, this was never going to happen due to the limited availability of the "product".
Cinema, on the other hand will expand capacity to fit demand, so letting the market set the price is fair.
This is why, as I've said a million times, there is no justification in letting the market take its course with football. There is no other comparable industry with virtual monopolies like football clubs, and the sooner regulators realise this the better.
Good stuff.
Don't let Ciderman see though... he probably knows stuff we don't about how FSF is just a scam to mislead and misrepresent fans views while making money on the side for the people that run it.
The ordinary fan can get the entertainment on TV if he can't afford a season ticket. If he can't afford a Sky package he has got bigger problems than not being able to watch football.
If millions of people wanted to go to the cinema for £8 a time, the cinema likewise would meet a point where supply met demand. If the demand was high enough or the supply was too little the price would sky rocket.
I'll ask again: What method should determine who gets a season ticket if not money? If you currently have one you get it again? What if you lose your job and can't afford the new price of £100, give up your ticket and want to buy it back when you find new employment? You get shafted?
Or would you prefer the closest to the ground get priority, in which case money would still take control as if a wealthy person wanted a ticket he'd buy a house near the stadium, or pay someone who owns a house near the stadium to get him a ticket, again money would talk. Not only that everyone living near the ground would be putting tickets on ebay at the current prices and making a huge profit.
Or should tickets be able to be passed on through generations, in which case an avid fan whose Dad and Grandad weren't United fans would have no chance of ever getting a ticket.
There is no fair criterion for deciding who gets a ticket apart from the person with the most money. Lets be fair it's a million times better than a decade or 2ago where a privilaged few got a ticket and everyone else had to wait 10 years to get one. In addition there was hardly any games on TV so if you were a die hard United fan you were severly limited in options.
/edit: that's without even talking about the impact slashing our prices would have on our ability to sign and pay the top players. Although I see the point about this money would just not be spent on debt, rather than impact other areas.
Just wondering, if we was under ownership of the Red Knights now what kind of summer spending spree would fergie be doing?
Oh this thread again - the club's fecked
Only wondering, no need to give me a hard time
They have not given up yet.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/red-knight-jim-oneill-still-1725701
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/red-knight-jim-oneill-still-1725701
I think it's very very unlikely. And I'm really unsure what good they would do for United anyway.
Who's hands would you feel the Club is safest in?
Personally, I've got to say the Glazers seem to be running the business side of things impeccably.
Personally, I've got to say the Glazers seem to be running the business side of things impeccably.
Your certainly better off than being owned by any organisation that is tainted with Keith Harris (the dummy than the ventriloquist).
'His anger was also directed at Carlton and Granada, the ITV companies which, he still believes, acted dishonourably throughout the fiasco. 'It doesn't eat at me any more, but I still think it was very callous corporate behaviour, to ignore the spirit of a deal and apply the letter.'
It was a fecking contract you muppet.
"Red Knight O'Neill still wants to buy out the Glazers"
and in other news...
"Ireland's Liam Miller still wants to play for United"
If you look at the way we're signing sponsorship deals left right and centre and with the new tv deal, the Glazers will be feeling like the cats that got the cream right now. Why sell up when in five or six years (or less) they'll probably own the club without debt and will be able to sell it for a ridiculous price?
Why do people believe the Glazers will sell at all? They, and their descendants, could own the club for the next fifty years.
I can't see them selling at all. They've done a brilliant job as businessmen in making the club pay for them to own it. It'll be a cash cow for them for years! Exactly as they always knew it would be.
They're businessmen. If at some piont they decide that the valuation of the club is at a peak, and they can use the cash better elsewhere, they'll sell.
No sign of that point being reached in the near future, but you do never know what's going on in detail fromt he outside.
There does remain the possibility that from the inside they have a different view of future revenues, and the current £2-3bn valuation would suit them fine if handed over in used £20 notes...
I suspect that if they did at some point decide to cash in, flotation would be a more likely scenario than a private investor rocking up with the cash.
No sign of that point being reached in the near future, but you do never know what's going on in detail fromt he outside.
There does remain the possibility that from the inside they have a different view of future revenues, and the current £2-3bn valuation would suit them fine if handed over in used £20 notes...
I suspect that if they did at some point decide to cash in, flotation would be a more likely scenario than a private investor rocking up with the cash.
I don't.
I think if we were ever to change hands again, it will be to private wealth from Asia, likely Chinese.
They wont have the FFP problems chelsea/city have, debt free we will likely have more disposable income than any other club on the planet, and as an ego boost for some nouveau mega rich businessman , we are as big as it gets.
I'd be wary of groups like the Red Knights (not that RK is happening anyway). Say what you want about the Glazer's but they are terrific business people and run a tight operation.
As, to be fair, is Jim O'Neill. Harris seems a bit of a clown, but I get the impression he's mostly there for his football contacts, rather than to run the show (if he would still be involved in any future O'Neill led bid at all).
Oh yes, definitely. However, earlier I was very keen on such a group taking over, getting rid of the Glazer's. Not so much anymore. The debt is slowly going down, and we have taken commercialism in football to a whole new level with them on board. Get the right man after Ferguson and we will be flying for a long long time.
I know it's not the debt thread but exactly how much is remaining on the books?
367m GBP if I remember correctly.