Remove the goalkeepers.
Alternatives to penalty shootouts in World Cups
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Let the players take a penalty shootout on FIFA 14. (they have to pick themselves ofcourse 
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)I like the penalty shootouts, keep them. Every now and then people start clamouring for their removal on the grounds that they're unfair but who cares? They're great drama.
Personally, I think the first taker advantage is the only unfair thing. They could adopt something like how tennis does tie-breaks to make it fairer.
Penaty shootouts are great. I love them and I'm always pissed if a game goes to extra time and ends before penalties.
If it's really unfair that the team who takes the first penalty has an advantage, FIFA could change the order of the penalties taken.
When you've got 2 teams (Team A and B) they could shoot in a sequence like that:
A-B-B-A-A-B-B-A-A-B
This would give both teams the opportunity to take the lead if they score their penalties, not forcing Team B to always be in a position where they can only ever draw if Team A scores.
If it's really unfair that the team who takes the first penalty has an advantage, FIFA could change the order of the penalties taken.
When you've got 2 teams (Team A and B) they could shoot in a sequence like that:
A-B-B-A-A-B-B-A-A-B
This would give both teams the opportunity to take the lead if they score their penalties, not forcing Team B to always be in a position where they can only ever draw if Team A scores.
Whooosh
Yeah I've thought about this before and liked the idea... it's the only change I'd make to penalties (apart from trying my up-most to stop goalkeeper encroachment.)
Not sure if its been said. But if the scores are level after extra time, just go to golden goal, with 15 minute halves. Yes games may last a lot longer, but then it will come down to fitness and stamina. Will also take out the so called 'lottery of the shoot out'.
I should do. I also have some ideas on how to "jazz up" the domestic game.get a job at FIFA man
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ideas-to-save-football.383414/
Just play golden goal
Louis van Gaal is a bloody genius.
I love shootouts. Keep them, but play them after 90 minutes. The team that loses then has extra time to make amends. Would make for a more interesting 30 minutes.
Yeah but then teams would have more incentive to park the bus, knowing they've won the shoot-out. I think people are just looking for problems which don't exist - shootouts turn even the worst games into spectacles.. fantastic entertainment.
That happens a lot of the time anyway. Both teams just wait for penalties. Better one team having to go for it. I love the drama but it's Krul as hell sometimes.
I read the opening post and got as far as golf.
After 120 minutes trying to determine which team has the physical edge, and obviously not being able to separate them, I think a penalty shootout is perfect. The teams are level physically, so test out their mental capabilities while still testing their ability with a football.
One of the best things about tournaments is the penalty shootout. Nothing can match the tension created by one, even when the teams involved have no relevance to me I still feel nervous for the players. They're fantastic and long may they stay.
One of the best things about tournaments is the penalty shootout. Nothing can match the tension created by one, even when the teams involved have no relevance to me I still feel nervous for the players. They're fantastic and long may they stay.
If I remember correctly they tried something like that in the old NASL.
I've seen vids of those shootouts and they were beyond terrible; the players, not the idea itself.
What's wrong with penos?
The fact is there's rarely five players in either team who are likely to provide much entertainment. It sounds great when you picture Messi doing it, but it's dull as feck.
I've absolutely no idea, I woould have expected the latest shoootout to have put all lottery theories to bed: proper mindgames, clearly useful prep by the Dutch keeper, sublime execution... There was nothing jammy about them going through.
Horrendous idea. I love penalty's
I would bring back golden goal though
I would bring back golden goal though
It would take more general footballing skills than just taking a penalty though, and therefore is a slightly less luck-ier way to do it. Not that I mind penalty shootouts as they stand, but I would only wanna change it if they made it a proper 1v1 like in open play.
I love penalties aswell... Nothing like winning a tight game on penalties.
The only change I could tolerate is to change the position of the penalty kicks. They could be from a bit further out, mayber an extra yard or 2, to give great keepeers more of a chance to distinguish themselves from good ones. But thats only if we insist on making some kind of change, I like it the way it is.
The only change I could tolerate is to change the position of the penalty kicks. They could be from a bit further out, mayber an extra yard or 2, to give great keepeers more of a chance to distinguish themselves from good ones. But thats only if we insist on making some kind of change, I like it the way it is.
I understand the appeal. It really, really doesn't work well at all though. I've watched 4-5 deciders played out that way, they were excruciating. It also largely ended up being down to keeper lobbing skills instead of penalty shooting skills. Big deal.
Leave PKs and bring back Golden Goal to make ET more interesting.
Golden goal had the opposite effect did it not? Teams would just defend deep.
Just the not-insignificant advantage to the team that takes the first one. If they could sort that out it would be 100% gold for me.
Never bought the "lottery" thing. It's a lottery in the sense that it's hard to predict what is going to happen, but not in what constitutes the actual outcome. Not so much about skill, but about dealing with pressure. I look at Moscow like a massive bottling job by John Terry, that cost his team a title, because they let the wrong guy take the pressure. There's keenness and wits involved, nothing unlucky about that. How the feck is a guy slipping unlucky? Has anyone called Gerard unlucky after doing it against Chelsea?
That is a shocking idea. Firstly, teams which had easy groups or one easy team in their group could easily notch up a load of goals. Germany v Saudi Arabia in 2002 would be the easiest example.
Secondly, it would ruin the knock out games. Teams would know if they needed a draw then to qualify through. It would make some teams far more defensive.
Penalties are absolutely fantastic. There is no better way of sorting out a drawn match after 120 minutes.
Unless you keep on playing until somebody scores a "golden goal", then I see no viable or better alternatives.
Simultaneously?
I've mentioned it before, in both goals, that would be a treat
More fairer and simpler would be switching the order in each round, so instead of one penalty each in turn you'd have something like 1-2-2-2-2-1. Tie-breaks in Tennis work this way. Credit to @rcoobc for this idea, you can always count on him to provide ideas backed by statistics!
EDIT: Also mentioned in this thread by other posters.
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That would be ok in my book, except for having to listen to idiot pundits get their heads around the why.I've mentioned it before, in both goals, that would be a treat
More fairer and simpler would be switching the order in each round, so instead of one penalty each in turn you'd have something like 1-2-2-2-2-1. Tie-breaks in Tennis work this way. Credit to @rcoobc for this idea, you can always count on him to provide ideas backed by statistics!
'Historically, the team going first wins 61 per cent of shootouts, says Ben Lyttleton, author of Twelve Yards, a new book on penalties'. More significant than I thought, worth systematically backing since odds are always near even money.
Good stuff. Time to open an account at one of these sports betting sites then, and just bet on penalties. No easier way to start
Don't bet against the Germans...
Or against van Gaal after he has randomly swapped keepers
The best idea i've read is that you have penalties before the first extra time period, and the team that wins the penalties gets the Advantage. Then the other team has the 2 15-minute extra times to try to win it. If nobody scores or they get 1 each or 2 each or however many, the Advantage kicks in and the penalty winning team has won.
The game ends after 120, so no problems there, and if you lose the penalty shootout, you have 30 minutes to go for a goal, which will be exciting.
The game ends after 120, so no problems there, and if you lose the penalty shootout, you have 30 minutes to go for a goal, which will be exciting.
Already been suggested. I think it's a great idea.