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Sure he will do just that.

Kerry? Do they have to have a special election for his seat or does Patrick appoint someone?
The gov would appoint someone but it will mean that they'd need a strong candidate for the re-election.

It'll be fun listening to the chickenhawks slating a decorated war-hero!
 

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Saw one my fav rightwingers post this peach on FB...

---Just watched the Presidential press conference. Again, I am still astounded this country reelected him... He is good at one thing and that is tap dancing around the truth...---
 

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Saw one my fav rightwingers post this peach on FB...

---Just watched the Presidential press conference. Again, I am still astounded this country reelected him... He is good at one thing and that is tap dancing around the truth...---
I bet he couldn't wait to call on Ed Henry just for the lulz. It was a typically spasticated, loaded question....as if the cocks at Fox give a feck about the families of the dead.
 

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So stupid Romney is actually saying that offering gifts to black, hispanic and young people (47%) can win you election, while offering gifts to 1% of richest people doesn't win you. Hmm, really hard to know.
 

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Republicans just dismissed Blacks,Hispanics and young people because they voted for Obama. all got gifts apparently.

nice going...business as usual :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/mitt-romney-obama-gifts_n_2133529.html?
So basically his "gifts" are legislating for things that those people require and need?

Damn, how dare a President do things that help his or her population. :wenger:

Just goes to show what an awful Pres Romney would have been, if he thinks providing the poor with healthcare and helping illegal immigrants become legal is a "gift".
 

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This whole states seceding from the Union nonsense doesnt half remind me of Liverpool fans wanting to withdraw their team from the Prem/FA/UEFA when things dont go their way :lol:

Has Texas started an e-petition yet?
 

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sounds like the Dems are already planning their sellout to the rich over the deficit talks.

Heard their starting offer is $8 of spending cuts for each $1 of tax revenue increase (which will probably include 'increased revenue from taxrate decreases') and Obama is talking about keeping the rich's tax rate the same but changing deductions..

Anyone who is actually liberal and not just team democrat is going to be very disappointed very soon.
 

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sounds like the Dems are already planning their sellout to the rich over the deficit talks.

Heard their starting offer is $8 of spending cuts for each $1 of tax revenue increase (which will probably include 'increased revenue from taxrate decreases') and Obama is talking about keeping the rich's tax rate the same but changing deductions..

Anyone who is actually liberal and not just team democrat is going to be very disappointed very soon.
Not really....we'll get a lot more other stuff that a repub administration would never have given us like healthcare, environmental protections, sensible foreign policy etc. etc.
 

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Its not a case of selling out the GOP control the house and everything is negotiable. Ultimately taxes will increase but it would be a disaster if taxes went up while economy is spluttering.

As much as we all want to believe taxing the rich is the answer to all our woes it really doesn't raise that much revenue. It would only reduce the deficit by 20% based on last years tax returns and it taxes went up the rich would move money offshore so that would reduce the potential revenues. Only way to increase revenues significantly is with wide scale tax rises.

Best way to reduce the deficit and spending is reducing the admin costs of healthcare in the US.
 

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Are you just going to accept a republican economic plan because it's signed by a democrat?

Compromise is fine, but opening up with such a weak position when you just won an election is just pathetic.
 

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Are you just going to accept a republican economic plan because it's signed by a democrat?

Compromise is fine, but opening up with such a weak position when you just won an election is just pathetic.
Won the Presidential election maybe but lost the house election. The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts, and you can't really deny they have a point.

For now we need a quick resolution to the budget deadlock.
 

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The main drivers of the deficit are military spending, a lack of revenue due to the Bush tax cuts and the economic downturn (and TARP). Other factors are growing considerations but they are not the root of the problem.

Cutting social security (which pays for itself when it's treasury isn't raided for wars), medicare and medicaid and not touching the actual drivers of the deficit is ridiculous.
 

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Won the Presidential election maybe but lost the house election. The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts, and you can't really deny they have a point.

For now we need a quick resolution to the budget deadlock.
how many piddling seats and what seats were up for grabs? That was no mandate. There was only one national election held this month and the republicans were routed.
 

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how many piddling seats and what seats were up for grabs? That was no mandate. There was only one national election held this month and the republicans were routed.
Yet they control the house with a similar margin. The POTUS is popularity contest, and Romney was unelectable. Nothing really changed last week. Most Americans are still fairly anti big government and tax rises, even Obama realizes that.
 

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Won the Presidential election maybe but lost the house election. The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts, and you can't really deny they have a point.
I can absolutely deny that. More than one million more votes were cast on November for Democratic candidates for the House than for the Republicans. That's not a mandate for anything the Republicans campaigned on. That's the effect of systematic gerrymandering.
 

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I can absolutely deny that. More than one million more votes were cast on November for Democratic candidates for the House than for the Republicans. That's not a mandate for anything the Republicans campaigned on. That's the effect of systematic gerrymandering.
Yet they still have a sizable house majority :rolleyes: And you know mid-terms will probably swing back the otehr way like they often do.

Obama and the GOP need to negotiate and get the budget passed. That is the number one priority not beating ones chest on side issue and party lines.
 

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Yet they control the house with a similar margin. The POTUS is popularity contest, and Romney was unelectable. Nothing really changed last week. Most Americans are still fairly anti big government and tax rises, even Obama realizes that.
60% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest 2% to go up. If that's only 20% of the solution, and other revenues aren't on the table, (which I'm skeptical of) then it should be a 4 to 1 ratio of cuts to revenue increases, not 8 to 1.
 

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60% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest 2% to go up. If that's only 20% of the solution, and other revenues aren't on the table, (which I'm skeptical of) then it should be a 4 to 1 ratio of cuts to revenue increases, not 8 to 1.
So 60% of Americans want someone elses taxes to rise, how noble of them. Not really a convincing argument really is it.

I would be happy if everyone that earns more than me pays more tax. Easy to say and even easier to live with. :lol:
 

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You lot are a bunch of fecking retards at times. learn to take stuff in context instead of being Internet heroes looking for a fight.

"The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts,"

Not mjs feel FFS, spastics
 

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Replying to your edited bits:

And you know mid-terms will probably swing back the otehr way like they often do.
Remains to be seen, but it makes no difference in the House, and thanks to the GOP's fecktardery, the cushion the Dems have built up in the Senate should hold them through.

Obama and the GOP need to negotiate and get the budget passed. That is the number one priority not beating ones chest on side issue and party lines.
Obama has always been willing to negotiate. The GOP can't say the same. If the only thing they're willing to do is a bit of deduction-closing, but still insist on a nearly all-cuts budget, then it'd be better to let the sequester go through.

People are wise to the GOP's playbook. Let the GOP be the ones who sent the economy back into recession to save tax cuts above $250K. Those midterms'll look a lot better for the Democrats.
 

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Yeah, mjs is probably drunk as usual.
Yep because a stupid cnut in Norway that knows feck all about much and doesn't pay a cent of tax in the US is the obvious authority on what is good for the US.
 

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You lot are a bunch of fecking retards at times. learn to take stuff in context instead of being Internet heroes looking for a fight.

"The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts,"

Not mjs feel FFS, spastics
They're ideologues, they don't give a feck about mandates, but if you're going to parse words, this is what you said:

The GOP house feel they have a mandate for spending cuts, and you can't really deny they have a point.
That's your words in bold, not something you're attributing to the GOP. And yes, I can deny that they have a point.
 

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...well there's a meltdown I didn't see coming.

EDIT: For confused readers, this is where mjs has a hissy and starts posting porn, first midget porn, then gay porn. On the next page he went for bondage.
 

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Why are you posting gay pics though? I mean, if you're looking to get banned, you might as well post regular porn.
 
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