Because there was little fuss over renewing his deal. If he wanted more than his current worth was, then the negotiations would have dragged on for months.
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So we are just going to spend years in limbo? If we uncover a gem, he will be bought by ones of the more successful teams?
Wouldn't be the end of the world. The amount of money Pogba would generate would allow us to buy two good up and coming CM's anyway. Probably help us to be fair.
They are also mid-table. So is that our future?
Where did you get that from? Why would we be selling on players if we uncover them?
You know that good players aren't born into great teams right? They have to play somewhere before they get that move.
Our links with D Rice suggest Matic could be getting replaced.
Err how do you know they didnt? And why would he ask for more if they offered him a high amount? Just reaching now
We sold Ronaldo. We might sell Pogba. We uncovered him first, before Juve got him, then had to pay a fortune to get him back, to then sell him again. I am worried that we are just a stopping off point.
Rice, Sancho, Zaha and another CM. Good summer?
I feel like Ole wants to buy British players where possible. He knew a United team full of homegrown players.
Sancho, Wan-Bissaka, Rice
Apart from centrebacks and some right wingers, i see us linked with alot of young british talent.
Maybe the reluctance to give Herrera what he wants is because Ole and the team have plans for the midfield that will reduce Herrera to a backup option and the club are not willing to spend what Herrera wants on backup.
Matic, Rice and Pogba is a midfield 3 i can see happening. Matic and Rice as a double pivot. Personally, i would like someone like Barella, N'Dombele or Neves instead of Matic.
I believe the issue is that the coaching team don't see Herrera as a first 11 player next year and therefore will not offer what he is asking for.
Sancho, Wan-Bissaka, Rice
Apart from centrebacks and some right wingers, i see us linked with alot of young british talent.
Maybe the reluctance to give Herrera what he wants is because Ole and the team have plans for the midfield that will reduce Herrera to a backup option and the club are not willing to spend what Herrera wants on backup.
Matic, Rice and Pogba is a midfield 3 i can see happening. Matic and Rice as a double pivot. Personally, i would like someone like Barella, N'Dombele or Neves instead of Matic.
I believe the issue is that the coaching team don't see Herrera as a first 11 player next year and therefore will not offer what he is asking for.
Well only we can change that by winning trophies. Some players like Ronaldo were set on joining Madrid as a kid, nothing you can do about that. We shouldn't buy lads who grow up next door to Spain if we don't want that issue. If we buy the English lads I doubt we'll have any of those issues in the next 10 years.
Can't give Herrera 200K PW whilst trying to secure De Gea and Rashford to new contracts, as well Pogba in the future. If you give Herrera 200K, what you going to give those guys?
I don't think any of the 3 are good enough to be a starter in a title winning squad. I meant more as a replacement for Herrera who I see as a squad player. Don't disagree about Fred but McTominay has proven himself more than 2 matches.What about the season he was our player of the year?
Lets get things straight. Fred has performed in 2 matches, McTominay in 2 matches. What makes you think this makes them worthy of being in a title winning squad?
On this logic Macheda should still be playing up front for us!
This is something people forget. Moaning about the Sanchez deal and then asking the club to offer Herrera 200k would be silly. We should learn from our mistakes and offer guarenteed first 11 players that are important to the team big deals and as much as i like him, Herrera is not that guy.
Rice, Sancho, Ndombele/Rabiot, Koulibaly. Will be decent summer work.
Maybe not, but we are still stuck with Sanchez stinking the place out on that wage. What will be interesting is what wages any new signing now demand.
As I've said in other threads, I don't think we'll be going big on a defender this year. I suspect us to be forward heavy come August as fans will forgive not winning a trophy as long as we're scoring goals and looking incisive. We'll all consider it to be progress under Solskjær and that's the best political approach to the transfer window we've got.
Is it confirm he's really leaving?
Assuming yes.
Oh well, he's one of my most fav from the current squad, but I just don't see a big loss with him gone. Time for Fred, Pereira and McT to step-up. Ole should only use him in big games from now on till he's off. McTominic vs small teams perhaps. Let's see who's joining this summer.
Assuming yes.
Oh well, he's one of my most fav from the current squad, but I just don't see a big loss with him gone. Time for Fred, Pereira and McT to step-up. Ole should only use him in big games from now on till he's off. McTominic vs small teams perhaps. Let's see who's joining this summer.
No. Right now we're going off Duncan Castles, nobody else has stated it. He's probably just jumping the gun to sound high and mighty if it actually happens.
I suspect this is a move by the agent to squeeze a few extra quid out of us, many people close to him have said he's very happy here.
Meh, never rated him anyway. Poor man's Henderson.
I agree we have to draw the line somewhere, I like Herrera but he's not worth 200k, better options are available so he's not irreplaceable.
Don't think i could ever forget that scene, it was such a comical sight. And our players watching on and letting that happen
This
Do not want Rabiot but this is the perfect summer imo.
Rice, Sancho, N'Dombele/Neves/Barella, Koulibaly/De Ligt.
Wan Bissaka as a bonus buy.
Why not?
After Jones, Smalling contracts you might be correct but one world class CB will be a big deal for us. Varane could also be moving and I expect Ed won't be letting that go without a fight. If it is the top heavy approach then I would rather get CHO or someone in the false 9 instead of Zaha.
If the reports are true (IF), and Herrera won’t stay for 170k p/w, then it’s time to cut our losses and move on. He’s been a decent player for us, with the odd magnificent performance; but we should be able to easily move on. Great character by all accounts, but that’s not really enough, is it?
If the reports weren't true he would've come on social media by now and rubbished it. Like Martial did some time last year.
Certainly off.
Certainly off.
Not if he’s still negotiating with United. If he says he’s staying on social media then it reduces his bargaining power with United.
That's easily over 250 million and we'd still be starting a 34 year old Ashley Young in a significant amount of games.
We've offered Herrera 170k a week according to reports, that's a lot of money, that's "We want you to stay money", that isn't us just letting him go so we can buy some junk from Holland or Portugal. This idea that Ole would have any better idea how to build a squad than Mourinho or van Gaal is bizarre as well since he's never done anything as a manager yet. That is why we need an experienced DOF to help a very inexperienced managfer out.
All of this return to Fergieworld stuff is nonsense IMO, He was a one off from a different time, he saw where the game was going and got out at the right time, you want to be the best, then you buy the best, Liverpool spent a fortune on CB and Goalkeeper to fix their weak spots and are now on course for the PL title, they didn't bargin bin their way into contention.
We aren't guarenteed to make top 4 this season, which is the minimum expectancy, if we do what you are suggesting then we wont make it again next season, Ole isn't Fergie, he needs top level investment if we want him to even start building a comfortable top 4 side. As for Rashford, there is a huge difference when it comes to forwards, young players in forward positions come through a lot quicker, holding midfield is a position for experienced players if you are a top side, a club like United can't have a 18 year old kid as the holding midfielder. If we go into next season without buying a RB, DM and Forward of proven quality we'll be scrambling for 4th again.
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A real shame if true. That's what happens when you moronically let players go into the last 18-24 months of their contracts, the leverage shifts from the club to the player.
You then end up in a no-win scenario. To replace him it would take a Fred kind of fee and wages over the next 4 years (c. £70m), a situation you may end up with a better version of Herrera and may end up with a worse version for this kind of money. The other option is to offer him £40m in wages over the next 4 years. The former option is far more expensive and has greater risks but also potentially greater rewards. The latter situation you're committing to paying someone twice the salary than a 50% salary increase compared with the salary they deserve which has far greater ramifications when other similar players are coming up to renewal.
In this situation the logical solution in my view is to offer a large sign on fee, since we'd be paying a transfer fee otherwise. This would have to be done alongside a changed policy of selling all players with under 24 months left on their contracts if they don't commit to a new deal (otherwise you'd be encouraging players to run down their deal). This is a logical policy regardless.
For example a 3 year deal with a £12m sign on fee along with £120k weekly salary would I'm sure be a win for all parties. We spend £12m outright instead of the £50m we'd normally have to spend and Herrera earns £120k a week which is in line with his squad contribution (total amount paid £30m instead of the c.£70m).
You then end up in a no-win scenario. To replace him it would take a Fred kind of fee and wages over the next 4 years (c. £70m), a situation you may end up with a better version of Herrera and may end up with a worse version for this kind of money. The other option is to offer him £40m in wages over the next 4 years. The former option is far more expensive and has greater risks but also potentially greater rewards. The latter situation you're committing to paying someone twice the salary than a 50% salary increase compared with the salary they deserve which has far greater ramifications when other similar players are coming up to renewal.
In this situation the logical solution in my view is to offer a large sign on fee, since we'd be paying a transfer fee otherwise. This would have to be done alongside a changed policy of selling all players with under 24 months left on their contracts if they don't commit to a new deal (otherwise you'd be encouraging players to run down their deal). This is a logical policy regardless.
For example a 3 year deal with a £12m sign on fee along with £120k weekly salary would I'm sure be a win for all parties. We spend £12m outright instead of the £50m we'd normally have to spend and Herrera earns £120k a week which is in line with his squad contribution (total amount paid £30m instead of the c.£70m).
I am not fussed if he leaves, his skillset is quite limited but we are so so shit in midfield he is our 2nd best midfielder. My only worry is finding an adequate replacement, Pereira/McTominay aren't the answer.
Also, for once I agree with boards decision. £140k a week is nothing to sniff at given his age. Not that it makes their decision to give Phil Jones £120k a week or Shaw £160k a week contract. They are two separate things but board is right on this one.
Also, for once I agree with boards decision. £140k a week is nothing to sniff at given his age. Not that it makes their decision to give Phil Jones £120k a week or Shaw £160k a week contract. They are two separate things but board is right on this one.
Think of PSG a minute, they missed out on De Jong and their response was Ander Herrera.
Could be worse.
He's a very limited player you'll find an upgrade.
Could be worse.
He's a very limited player you'll find an upgrade.
I find it odd Duncan Castles has reported it before anyone else. I’d have thought some of the French journalists would have reported something by now too.
If this is true well I don't see what we can do. He's not worth the money he reportedly wants. As soon as the club can, they will bin Sanchez. In the meantime, we need to stop with the high wages unless we're getting consistent great performances from those players.
I like him even if he's a bit of a politician when he talks about us - always saying what he knows the fans want to hear
I would prefer he stayed to give us much needed depth in midfield, but we should be looking to upgrade on him and Matic anyway. Matic especially!
I like him even if he's a bit of a politician when he talks about us - always saying what he knows the fans want to hear
I would prefer he stayed to give us much needed depth in midfield, but we should be looking to upgrade on him and Matic anyway. Matic especially!
if PSG are under pressure for FFP etc why would they be offering huge wages to Herrera?
just a thought
just a thought
I thought the got some decision or the other in their favour?
Unless they're messing with poor Ander and as soon as he says yes, they change their minds
Will be dissapointing to see him leave on a free. He was fecked about by Van Gaal for a long time too, when it was obvious he offered more than players like Fellaini in midfield.
With so many players running down contracts or going into their last years, possibly points to a potential takeover?. Custis, Mitten, Castles and Romain Molina have said there's something going on behind the scenes too in recent weeks and months.
With so many players running down contracts or going into their last years, possibly points to a potential takeover?. Custis, Mitten, Castles and Romain Molina have said there's something going on behind the scenes too in recent weeks and months.
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