If we sign Cesc than ok. If we go for lesser midfielders, I hope we sign two of them before we decide to sell Ando.
Anderson | 2013/14 Performances (on loan at Fiorentina)
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Yep. We lack depth as well as quality, so should only sell Ando if we sign someone first.
Anderson has largely underwhelmed and flattered to deceive in his time here it certainly won't take two players to replace him.
We can't fetch much for him atm, I'd rather we keep him for cover and rotation, he's quality if he's fit, and I guess playing second fiddle helps him in fit department
He might come in handy to give Carrick a rest
He might come in handy to give Carrick a rest
Back to football business after a long summer.
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I think he just meant he's so fat that he takes up as much room on the team bus a two men, so they'll need to fill those two seats.
We don't have a lot of depth in CM at all, so whilst it won't take two players to replace him, because he doesn't play all that much, it might take two before we have a decent enough number of CMs to let him go. Would he even want to go to Everton though? I thought a Portuguese club wanted him?
it won't take two players to replace him, but with our current midfield options we need an extra player even before we think of letting him go, basically to replace scholes/fletcher. So we should be signing two cm before we look at letting him go just from a squad perspective
Of course not, but we are short in midfielders. If we sign only one midfielder (except if he is someone who plays every game like Cesc) I think we need to keep him. If we sign two, then we can sell him and still have enough players there. Ando is unfit and injured but still he can give us 20 or more games in a season. When we consider how poor (and short) our midfield is, I don't think that we should sell him if we sign only one midfielder.
Exactly.
Yes, he is a good squad player and seems a well liked player within the dressing room.
Maybe Moyes will be a lot more stricter in regards to his fitness and we might see something different.
I do think that he has very good technical ability and he can fill the role we need if he is fit enough
Maybe Moyes will be a lot more stricter in regards to his fitness and we might see something different.
I do think that he has very good technical ability and he can fill the role we need if he is fit enough
He's a class act when fit but would defo prefer to see him moved on if we can find a couple more impressive midfielders somewhere
He shows in fits how talented he is but it's only flashes followed by big drops of form and injury! Would be better replaced with a Fellaini!
Anderson could be fit as a fiddle, but he is still a bit shit with his technical game. I don't think he truly understands how to run the game from midfield, he's just not a very clever midfielder.
We have nothing to lose on him staying.
We're not signing anyone in the centre, so we need him to contribute his normal 10-15 games there.
How do you know who and what we are signing?
Let's wait and see. I'd love to be wrong....
This.
We have nothing to gain either....which is more important in my mind.
We've got more to lose on him not staying than him staying. Even if we sign two central midfielders he'll get his usual amount of matches and be of use against certain opposition when he's not injured/fat.
It's more to do with our depressing lack of quality options in CM than anything else, but selling him would only make things worse. He's a fine midfield player as a squad option in any case. Can't believe some of you would advocate selling him before we've even got one midfielder in.
It's more to do with our depressing lack of quality options in CM than anything else, but selling him would only make things worse. He's a fine midfield player as a squad option in any case. Can't believe some of you would advocate selling him before we've even got one midfielder in.
As opposed to do what?
I would rather Powell got Anderson's selection of games this coming season.
So yes sell him he's a waste of fecking space. He's had enough chances in 6 mediocre years and has not taken any of them, injuries only tell half the story if that. I would rather Powell's development be aided by the chance to show what he can be capable of.
So yes sell him he's a waste of fecking space. He's had enough chances in 6 mediocre years and has not taken any of them, injuries only tell half the story if that. I would rather Powell's development be aided by the chance to show what he can be capable of.
There's also the consideration of his existing contract. I would oppose any kind of generous extension -- he's been too shit and fat for that to even be on the table. But I wouldn't mind running out his contract if there are no bidders for his services. He can do a decent job coming off the bench in the second half against weak opposition.
- Rahul @forevruntd45sAnderson: "Now I'm more serious, I’ve started to eat & sleep properly. I've to look after myself if I’m going to be at my best for MUFC.”
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1mAnderson: “I’m serious about doing well. Maybe I joked too much in the past, tried to be the Brazilian player who was always joking."
Expand - Rahul @forevruntd2mAnderson: "I need to lose 2 more kgs to be at my best weight. I don’t want to have injuries. I want to train every day & play every game."
Expand - Rahul @forevruntd8mAnderson: "Training is hard under Moyes but that’s good for me. I need to run and I’m feeling good. I need to get fit and lose weight."
Expand - Rahul @forevruntd15mAnderson: "I want to play every week for Manchester United, I love being here.”
Expand - Rahul @forevruntd15mAnderson: “It’s not just the fans who’ve been frustrated, I’ve been frustrated. I never asked to be injured, I don’t want to be injured."
Ahh, can we keep him?
I have to say it's beginning to look like this lad didn't fulfill his potential
Good interview that. There seems to be a shift in mentality. Last preseason he said all the right things too but he clearly seems to have a good grasp of the things that he needs to change. I hope he stays.
I appreciate the attitude but he says stuff like this at the start of every season.
As much as I've lost faith in him, I'd love to see him succeed. He's just somehow so disarmingly likeable.
Yep. He's a really likable chap and always comes across as someone who loves the club. Yet, I've completely lost faith that he can ever be a top player for us.
So he's admitted himself he needs to lose weight. Guess a lot of us in this thread were wrong.
Agreed. Deja effin' vu.
I still hope he fulfills his potential, but at some other club.
How? He says he needs to drop about 4-5 pounds. People who said he isn't fat are still right, he isn't fat. Don't think many ever said he was in peak physical condition.
I'm not a dietician or PT but let's assume he is 72kg, and he should be 70kg to have a body fat percentage of 7% (generous due to body type). 7% is 4.9kg of fat. 6.9kg(4.9+2) of fat is 9.6% body fat. That's almost double the optimum (Ronaldo would probably be 5%).
Again, I get that, but that's a mathematical analysis. To look at, from any perspective a person with 9.6% body fat isn't fat to the human eye. That's my point. People call him fat, he isn't. People say he could be in better condition, yes he could. Get me?
Under 8% is considered having too little fat. I recall reading that Stallone had as low as a 3% body fat percentage when filming Rocky III (I believe) where he fainted repeatedly as a result. If Ronaldo has a 5% body fat percentage, he would probably struggle with the same and he would look far more ripped than he already does. I talked to someone who did fitness and he said he had a 7% body fat percentage at his best and blood veins on his stomach were clearly visible at that time. about 15% is quite normal for men, 5-10% is normal for male athletes - if Anderson has a 9,6% he is still within the normal. Thus for him to shred 4-5 pounds sounds reasonable, but would in no way make him go from overweight to normal - it would make him go from a normal athlete to a slightly above average for an athlete. Body fat is probably just about half the story anyhow.
If you talk to cross country skiers and runners, most of them argue that footballers aren't much athletes at all anyhow.
His dog's name is after Wes Brown, that is fantastic.
On the guy himself, when he plays I'd say he is one of the top 5 players at the club I love to see play, maybe even top 3. He is one of the best players to drive us forward, and when he gets moving he can make ground better than anyone else, be it with free space in front of him or under pressure. He is also one of the best passers in the team; I completely disagree with people who say otherwise. He is there with Carrick and Rooney in long range passes, and the stats can back me up as well as literally seeing what he does on the pitch. There is no point getting rid of players like this, because if we got rid we lose a player who provides something different to players in his position. No one in CM plays like he does, and it can change a game with its variation (vs Chelsea when he got 3 assists is a good example).
Moyes has played him a lot in pre season, so he must see him in his plans for this season (unless it's a ploy to raise his valuation), and Moyes' renowned tough training regime is ideal for him. Big-Red put it really well I think, in that he isn't fat, but he can still improve his physical condition. Like Rooney he does have a stocky frame, and even if he got to his peak condition he would still look fat to some, because that is just how he is. If we do sign a CM in the end, I don't see him going at all. That interview on the previous page sounded like he is content here, and unless Moyes is keen on getting rid of him then we will see him in our shirt this season, which I look forward to.
On the guy himself, when he plays I'd say he is one of the top 5 players at the club I love to see play, maybe even top 3. He is one of the best players to drive us forward, and when he gets moving he can make ground better than anyone else, be it with free space in front of him or under pressure. He is also one of the best passers in the team; I completely disagree with people who say otherwise. He is there with Carrick and Rooney in long range passes, and the stats can back me up as well as literally seeing what he does on the pitch. There is no point getting rid of players like this, because if we got rid we lose a player who provides something different to players in his position. No one in CM plays like he does, and it can change a game with its variation (vs Chelsea when he got 3 assists is a good example).
Moyes has played him a lot in pre season, so he must see him in his plans for this season (unless it's a ploy to raise his valuation), and Moyes' renowned tough training regime is ideal for him. Big-Red put it really well I think, in that he isn't fat, but he can still improve his physical condition. Like Rooney he does have a stocky frame, and even if he got to his peak condition he would still look fat to some, because that is just how he is. If we do sign a CM in the end, I don't see him going at all. That interview on the previous page sounded like he is content here, and unless Moyes is keen on getting rid of him then we will see him in our shirt this season, which I look forward to.
He's not a normal person though he's a professional footballer playing at the biggest club in the world. 'Fat' might be mildly exaggerative but when people on here say it I'm sure they don't mean he's clinically obese, just that he's clearly above his optimal weight which we've all seen him at.
Yeah no one sane actually meant he was fat. Lots on here said things like "if he was overweight there's no way our staff would tolerate it, he would be packed off by SAF etc.".
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