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Personally I've always felt Nani had a better attitude than Anderson which is why I don't have the same degree of interest in the one more season scenario, but either way I don't see it impacting our season negatively.
 
But why take the negative view when it's far from certain it's the right one?

Don't really see the point in righting him off so soon - the position he's playing now requires so much maturity, maturity that is only found in extroardinary players at his age, and the position that many feel he is best in requires even more maturity and you'll struggle to find anyone else his age playing there.

It was always going to be a long wait with a 20 year old central player, Sir Alex wouldn't have bought him if he wasn't prepared for that. The only reason he would be sold is if he's shown himself to have a mentality or attitude that's unsuitable for United. Only people in the club have any idea about that.
 
Brwned said:
But why take the negative view when it's far from certain it's the right one?

Don't really see the point in righting him off so soon - the position he's playing now requires so much maturity, maturity that is only found in extroardinary players at his age, and the position that many feel he is best in requires even more maturity and you'll struggle to find anyone else his age playing there.

It was always going to be a long wait with a 20 year old central player, Sir Alex wouldn't have bought him if he wasn't prepared for that. The only reason he would be sold is if he's shown himself to have a mentality or attitude that's unsuitable for United. Only people in the club have any idea about that.
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I'm not sure if this is aimed at me Brwned but I am not taking a negative view, I was just saying this notion that every player will do a Nani or a Fletcher is a loose argument, on a personal level I don't care, whatever SAF goes with wont garner a reaction from me as I'm ambivelant when it comes to Anderson.
 
Brwned said:
But why take the negative view when it's far from certain it's the right one?

Don't really see the point in righting him off so soon - the position he's playing now requires so much maturity, maturity that is only found in extroardinary players at his age, and the position that many feel he is best in requires even more maturity and you'll struggle to find anyone else his age playing there.

It was always going to be a long wait with a 20 year old central player, Sir Alex wouldn't have bought him if he wasn't prepared for that. The only reason he would be sold is if he's shown himself to have a mentality or attitude that's unsuitable for United. Only people in the club have any idea about that.
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I'll go with that!

On a personal note I say;

Keep young Ando!! I haven't seen many youngster's better then him in the WC. People easy forget.
 
Solius said:
I think he should be given the same time as Nani. I know they were signed at the same time but Anderson has played a lot less games due to injury.
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7 less games according to wiki. And its not just injury is it. A lot of the time other players were simply picked instead of him. Nani has made himself a starter for longer periods.
 
Brwned said:
But why take the negative view when it's far from certain it's the right one?

Don't really see the point in righting him off so soon - the position he's playing now requires so much maturity, maturity that is only found in extroardinary players at his age, and the position that many feel he is best in requires even more maturity and you'll struggle to find anyone else his age playing there.

It was always going to be a long wait with a 20 year old central player, Sir Alex wouldn't have bought him if he wasn't prepared for that. The only reason he would be sold is if he's shown himself to have a mentality or attitude that's unsuitable for United. Only people in the club have any idea about that.
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do not get me wrong - I would like him to succeed but from what i ve heard about him I am having more and more doubts.

To be frank, i do not think that some years ago when Fletcher was struggling and under a lot of stick, he was passing a lot of time going from one nightclub to another.

Also, if as the press reported, he s a bit overweight, that's not a good sign either for a 22-year old struggling to convince his manager that he can fulfil his promise
 
Ekeke said:
7 less games according to wiki. And its not just injury is it. A lot of the time other players were simply picked instead of him. Nani has made himself a starter for longer periods.
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Wiki will definitely not be accurate. I think everyone has forgotten how good he was in the first half of his first season here. If he can regain that form I think he has the ability to push on from there.
 
Solius said:
Wiki will definitely not be accurate. I think everyone has forgotten how good he was in the first half of his first season here. If he can regain that form I think he has the ability to push on from there.
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I'm not picking on you in particular Solius, but really?

I mean c'mon, that was so long ago. He's not shown anything to suggest he'll reach those heights again.

He doesn't seem happy at United, hasn't played well in an eternity and by all accounts is in the gaffer's bad books.

Not looking good by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Well we'll see but I'm just trying to put a bit of faith in him really. I'd hate for us to sell him and watch him develop into a class player somewhere else.
 
Solius said:
Well we'll see but I'm just trying to put a bit of faith in him really. I'd hate for us to sell him and watch him develop into a class player somewhere else.
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I get you, but it's hard to see what he can do to change things. He has bags of ability but no consistency, to me that suggests his issues are down to attitude and personality.

I think it's time for new pastures for this lad, it'll do him a world of good. Maybe a loan deal is a good opportunity for him.
 
Solius said:
Well we'll see but I'm just trying to put a bit of faith in him really. I'd hate for us to sell him and watch him develop into a class player somewhere else.
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Don t assume that he ll automatically transform himself in the next forlan.
 
Solius said:
I'm not, just showing a bit more belief in him for now. Nothing wrong with that.
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In fairness to him, some newbie mentioned that he played osme of his best football with Hargreaves alongside. I think it's a fair point and maybe Hargo's absence has affected his form as well.
 
Sell him and get another Brazilian, this time one with a proper Brazilian name.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I get you, but it's hard to see what he can do to change things. He has bags of ability but no consistency, to me that suggests his issues are down to attitude and personality.

I think it's time for new pastures for this lad, it'll do him a world of good. Maybe a loan deal is a good opportunity for him.
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I think Brwned sums it up perfectly.
Brwned said:
But why take the negative view when it's far from certain it's the right one?

Don't really see the point in righting him off so soon - the position he's playing now requires so much maturity, maturity that is only found in extroardinary players at his age, and the position that many feel he is best in requires even more maturity and you'll struggle to find anyone else his age playing there.

It was always going to be a long wait with a 20 year old central player, Sir Alex wouldn't have bought him if he wasn't prepared for that. The only reason he would be sold is if he's shown himself to have a mentality or attitude that's unsuitable for United. Only people in the club have any idea about that.
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Another thing to add is that, we took a very attack minded midfielder and tried to convert him some what into a more complete one. As Brwned has pointed out, it's hard enough playing a central role at such a young age, let alone adapting to a different personal role too.

I do agree though that, his party antics are a worry but I'm sure SAF will get it out of him. Remember the world of good, Nani being frozen out for a while did to him? I'm sure SAF will come up with a method of curbing Anderson's scandalous social life. Only as a very last resort would he sell him, especially since he seems to have a lot of faith still in the lad.
 
Andersons young and has shown enough in the past to merit being at United. We know what we need to see from him. More energy and goals. If he can reach the levels he's shown already on a consistant basis we shouldn't sell.
 
Solius said:
Wiki will definitely not be accurate. I think everyone has forgotten how good he was in the first half of his first season here. If he can regain that form I think he has the ability to push on from there.
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Wiki may or may not be accurate, but it'll be close between them. Its not injury thats kept them out of the team for most of the 3 seasons they've been here, its simply been other players selected instead of them. And as I said Nani has done a better job of making sure his name is on the team sheet to start matches. So he has played a bit more.

Again, it wasnt the first half of the season was it. He actually had to start slowly. It was from christmas and leading on for a few months and then in the last period of the season he wasnt as good.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I get you, but it's hard to see what he can do to change things. He has bags of ability but no consistency, to me that suggests his issues are down to attitude and personality.

I think it's time for new pastures for this lad, it'll do him a world of good. Maybe a loan deal is a good opportunity for him.
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Or age perhaps?

Sorry Doc I'm not having that, attitude and commitment aside (as we aren't privy to that kind of knowledge) he has shown enough to warrant another year at OT, hell if things stirke right for him and does "do a Nani" we would have an exceptional midfielder on our hands imo.

Young players are very rairly consistent, that's useually their biggest failing truth be told.

Saying all that I do question his attitude it has to be said (from what I can see for myself), but I'm hoping a bit of maturity will sort that out.
 
I'm more concerned with his attitude on the pitch at times. Trying to play "Ronaldinho" look-away passes and subsequently not playing them very well, or constantly trying to play 50 yard passes when he sometimes cant manage a 15 yard one.

He can clearly become a brilliant midfielder but he has a few dangerous habits on the pitch, let alone off it, that promise to dampen even his best games and make him a much less useful player until he learns not to do it.
 
RedNome said:
Or age perhaps?

Sorry Doc I'm not having that, attitude and commitment aside (as we aren't privy to that kind of knowledge) he has shown enough to warrant another year at OT, hell if things stirke right for him and does "do a Nani" we would have an exceptional midfielder on our hands imo.

Young players are very rairly consistent, that's useually their biggest failing truth be told.

Saying all that I do question his attitude it has to be said (from what I can see for myself), but I'm hoping a bit of maturity will sort that out.
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I never accept the age argument. These guys have been playing football for a decade or more. They know what's what and how to concentrate and be consistent, it's the attitude of youth that they don't need to buckle down and step-up.

It's the same reason that very few people in their early 20s can last long at a full-time job. They can't be arsed to go to bed early, show up on time, etc. It's that simple, imo, and if a player doesn't want to get with it, they can get gone.
 
Personally I think his attitude is good tinged with one of youth.

Early last season when he was out of form, he asked to play for the reserves (when players were out playing friendlies), scored and then came back into the team and had a decent stint. He ended up playing several games in quick succession doing fairly well till it seemed he ran out of gas for the 3-0 thumping at Craven Cottage.

After being frozen out due to what I attribute to youth making bad judgement calls, he seemed to have got back in the frame only to get injured.

I hope we give him a chance, the potential is there. Just needs a little more time and I do think it will click for him. He needs a run of games to get his confidence up and ego stroked.

I'd love to see how a midfield trio of Fletcher/Anderson/Hargreaves does against a potentially big team next season - think it would be immense.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I never accept the age argument. These guys have been playing football for a decade or more. They know what's what and how to concentrate and be consistent, it's the attitude of youth that they don't need to buckle down and step-up.

It's the same reason that very few people in their early 20s can last long at a full-time job. They can't be arsed to go to bed early, show up on time, etc. It's that simple, imo, and if a player doesn't want to get with it, they can get gone.
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Doesn't matter if you accept it or not, in all my life of watching football I have not seen a consistent young player at this level of football, obviously you will have differing levels of consistency, but to say age isn't relevant is just wrong for me.

Don't dispute your attitude point though, but it isn't exclusive imo.
 
RedNome said:
Doesn't matter if you accept it or not, in all my life of watching football I have not seen a consistent young player at this level of football, obviously you will have differing levels of consistency, but to say age isn't relevant is just wrong for me.

Don't dispute your attitude point though, but it isn't exclusive imo.
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Their consistency is, as I argue, down to the choices they make. Instead of going to bed at a reasonable time they stay up and play games. I know, I've been there. The next thing it's really late and you can't get up the next day, when you do you're a melon head.

To say someone who's been playing footy at a high level for a long time needs time to adapt is deceptive. Anderson knows what he's doing, problem is he can't be arsed to do it right, or at least help himself by living right.

He has moments where, yes, his youth is clearly a factor in his footballing decisions, much like Nani at times. That is excusable. But you can't excuse his lack of fitness and poor execution by crying "youth".
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Their consistency is, as I argue, down to the choices they make. Instead of going to bed at a reasonable time they stay up and play games. I know, I've been there. The next thing it's really late and you can't get up the next day, when you do you're a melon head.

To say someone who's been playing footy at a high level for a long time needs time to adapt is deceptive. Anderson knows what he's doing, problem is he can't be arsed to do it right, or at least help himself by living right.

He has moments where, yes, his youth is clearly a factor in his footballing decisions, much like Nani at times. That is excusable. But you can't excuse his lack of fitness and poor execution by crying "youth".
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You can Doc, we've all been kids and developed at different rates, it's up to Fergie to drive that maturity into him, it's what he does best.

He's shown enough for me to be prepared to give him one more season to show that development, if he then fecks that chance up then so be it, we can say we gave him ample time.
 
I can't see what United have to gain by selling him now and we sure have alot to gain by Anderson finally fulfilling his potential, namely, a quality midfielder with a host of positives to his game.

There is a strong likelihood that next season will be Scholes and Giggs's last and the truth is we need the likes of Gibson and Anderon improving further and nailing down slots in the side as dependable players for the future. There the two players most likely to make the step up in the immediate short term and I'd back Fergie to get the best out of both. With Carrick's form last season and Hargreaves permanently unfit there likely to get enough opportunities in any event.

I still reckon we could do with another midfielder from another club to fully refresh the squad but Anderson is someone I hope we give another season to.
 
To sell him now would be madness really, hes still extremly young with bags of talent and to sell him now for what would obviously be less than what we paid for him would just be bizzare really, whats to gain out of selling him? its not as if theres any value in the market to sign anyone else after all.....
 
I have to disagree, when dribbling with the ball even in close quarters he looks quite Brazilian, in pretty much everything else he doesnt
 
Eto'odinho said:
This and a whole lot of other things. For starters he could learn how to play the full 90 minutes and not look absolutely spent come the hour mark. He is a young player and stamina should be one of his key attributes.
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Yes, being so out of shape is absolutely criminal when you're making tons of money to be a professional athlete.
 
Some stupid posts on here. Anderson is a much better player than a lot of you are giving him credit for, his technique is sound in everything but shooting. He is still a kid in footballing terms and is far ahead of the majority of players people go on about him replacing at the same age.
 
gambit28 said:
Some stupid posts on here. Anderson is a much better player than a lot of you are giving him credit for, his technique is sound in everything but shooting. He is still a kid in footballing terms and is far ahead of the majority of players people go on about him replacing at the same age.
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I agree. The fans used to love him and the way his played not too long ago. He's not been great recently and not fulfilling his potential, but I am sure he will be back to his best after his injury. People have to be patient with him though. And I am sure he learnt his lesson
 
gambit28 said:
Some stupid posts on here. Anderson is a much better player than a lot of you are giving him credit for, his technique is sound in everything but shooting. He is still a kid in footballing terms and is far ahead of the majority of players people go on about him replacing at the same age.
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Why are you bursting the bubble? The grass is always greener on the other side. If we'd bought Gourcuff many years back, we'd be slating him right now. People love transfers and expectations of the unknown.
 
Interval Level said:
Why are you bursting the bubble? The grass is always greener on the other side.
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I've had about 2 hours kip, been driving for 3 hours which i set off at 5 this morning and am in a grumpy bastard mood.
 
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