No matter how bad it has gotten in the last few years we have never been in a place where Granqvist could get in our team.
Andreas Granqvist
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No he is not.
2 snails without 5 midfielders to shield them like in the Swedish national squad.
Should be alot of fun against the pace of the PL. Exciting!
Impressed at the World Cup ...but then so did Ron Vlaar in 2014. A bit depressing if true.
I just cant take this seriously. No way
He would not get games for Cardiff, Southampton, Newcastle, Huddersfield, etc this would only make sense if we literally had the worst CBs in the Prem which is complete hyperbole.
Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it's a better cow than the one you've got in your own field. It's a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.
Granqvist 
Absolute joke that is. Not only plays he in Sweden, but the guy is close to retirement ffs. Thats worse than the John Terry rumours. Instead of selling Lindelöf and cutting our losses, we want to bring back his partner in crime who shined at a world cup for an ultra defensive Sweden team. We wont get the best out of him anyway, Lindelöf is just not good enough. Instead of Smalling cleaning up for him, a worse player in Granqvist will do that. Whats the fecking point. We never learn, remined me of the time Liverpool signed Klavan.
Absolute joke that is. Not only plays he in Sweden, but the guy is close to retirement ffs. Thats worse than the John Terry rumours. Instead of selling Lindelöf and cutting our losses, we want to bring back his partner in crime who shined at a world cup for an ultra defensive Sweden team. We wont get the best out of him anyway, Lindelöf is just not good enough. Instead of Smalling cleaning up for him, a worse player in Granqvist will do that. Whats the fecking point. We never learn, remined me of the time Liverpool signed Klavan.
I think he is, but that would not be the reason for bringing him in. The reason would be his routine and leadership elements. He has almost 80 matches for the national team, is the captain and has shown great leadership. That would be reason, not if he is a better player than Jones, Bailly or any of the other centrebacks. That is also one of the reasons why he got awarded Guldbollen as Best player in Sweden last year (biggest reason was Zlatans injury).
I think it could be worth the chance. He is at least not much worse than anybody else and they all need someone to take command.
Well, Chelsea did show interest in Crouch last year. Attacking equivalent of our alleged interest in Granqvist.
More likely he's drumming up interest for himself. Even Jose wouldn't do this IMO.
Well, Crouch was England International, and used to play for Liverpool. So, he has his use.We still have Rojo and Jones that would equal to Otamendi and Lovren.
I think Jones is okay for most weekends but Otamendi and Lovren are better. Rojo was the most beaten CB in the league last year, so all it takes is running at him.
We still have Rojo and Jones that would equal to Otamendi and Lovren.
So we are a good fit for him then.Not good enough for a top EPL side, but still way better than Lindelof
Are United doing it?
So a 6 month leader. That makes complete sense now. Consider me sold
Yeah that's true, he was playing for a very defensive side that shielded him very well. But, there are several games/situations in a game where that's exactly what we do and his ability to lead the defence could be very useful.
In the long term, there are many players that I would have over him, as he lacks a bit of pace/agility and isn't the best on the ball. But, for the situations I mentioned above, he is superior to most of our CB's and a 6 month loan deal wouldn't be the worst thing, if a younger, better CB is not available.
You say "just overpay for a quality leader in January", but which players fits that bill that's available? Presumably, that sort of player was pursued in the summer unsuccessfully. I'd rather spend big on a top, young talent that is already quality, like say Skriniar, Pavard or Tah or go for an established player at the right price, like Alderweireld. But, there are no guarantees that they will be attainable.
Y"all go to far with this "leadership" stuff. A CB needs to have quality first of all.
Hey - Granqvist had Festival of Football card in fifa 18 UT.
At least @izec seems believe this.
Aye, being a leader of shit teams doesn't really mean much. John O'Shea was still looking solid for Ireland's ultra defensive approach while he was getting relegated to League One with Sunderland.
If all we want is leadership and experience then we should sign my boy Atiba Hutchinson to solve our midfield problems too. Even he has had a better career than Granqvist. Obviously though this will just be another Ron Vlaar story and we won't sign him.
I realize that all management can't be all sugar coated, our greatest ever manager threw a boot at David Beckham, but it was all done behind the scenes, Mourinho constantly drags players publicly and it's not just professional criticism of them, it's snide, spiteful, petty little jabs that come off more personal than anything, and lets not just go with the narrative of our supposedly soft players can't cope with his style, we are the third team in a row he's been at where this dressing room unrest has happened, the bulk of the Real team went on to win 4 CL's while the Chelsea team he lost completely won the PL the season after he left with largely the same squad, so there's a clear pattern of his man management failing over the course of the last few years.
No one is arguing our CB's are poor at playing out from the back, but this is not something you publicly chastize them for, saying you had to a play a CM there to get it done, it's got nothing to do with being a "snowflake" and everything to do with professionalism and respect. As for the other part, I disagree, we have went from a manager out of his depth, to an eccentric has-been to a miserable narrcissist who plays some of the worst football I've ever seen, I believe we have a squad that can be a quality attacking side if we were coached that way and if e had a manager that generated a positive atmosphere. So I'll say now, if Zidane comes in I think well have a genuine title challenge next season, and I'll either be right or you can throw it in my face later like the Lukaku stuff.
I'm not sure.
That made me laugh out loud! Scared the wife sleeping on the couch next to me.
Yeh. You're right then.
So we still believe every player linked to us story is true on here?
What the actual duck are we at(if true).
It's so ridiculous it has to be true. Who the feck has the imagination to make this up?
This thread should be used if anyone needed an explanation on Sir Alex’s cow in the field speech.
I know our defenders aren’t good (except for Smalling) but people claiming a defender playing in the Swedish 2nd division is better than our current options or thinking this is a good signing, I can’t even begin to understand the logic. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone bumped an O’Shea thread and people claim we should sign him because he “knows the club” and is “better than what we have”.
I know our defenders aren’t good (except for Smalling) but people claiming a defender playing in the Swedish 2nd division is better than our current options or thinking this is a good signing, I can’t even begin to understand the logic. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone bumped an O’Shea thread and people claim we should sign him because he “knows the club” and is “better than what we have”.
Remember when everyone wanted us to sign Ron Vlaar?
To be fair, he was an absolute monster in that World Cup
Probably one of the most surprising performances of that tournament. But yeah, this would be a really strange transfer. Wasn’t it Fergie who said you should never sign a player on the back of an impressive national tournament? (Poborsky)
Top stuff. Let’s get Drenthe in to shore up LB as well.
He is a calm, great penalty taker, good in the air
Even an amateur player like Lindelof looked like decent next to him
Even an amateur player like Lindelof looked like decent next to him
The level Granqvist is playing at right now is not far from amateur level.
Coincidentally Mourinho is also the third manager under whom our players seem to be unrested, Mourinho meanwhile won titles at Real and Chelsea even if he got sacked, whereas ever since SAF has departed we haven't won a single title. So there's a clear pattern that ever since SAF has departed we fail to win the titles and sooner or later our players lose their shit and are discontent with every manager's approach.
And again, our players are not the ones to question him playing Pogba as a semi-CB, especially given that it has won us the game in the end and even more so when they obviously fail to execute his orders (which is, i.a., playing it from the back). People are discontent when we hoof it from the defence but at the same time seem to have a problem when Mourinho picks a drastic measure such as playing Pogba as a ball-playing-semi-CB-what-is-this type of role to play it from the back. You really have to make up your mind on that.
I think the opposite. Sweden manage to qualify for World Cup despite having a relatively poor team and despite having a strong group with Holland and France, and later also by beating Italy without conceding any goal over two matches. Also did ok in the World Cup. The key was good organisation and sticking strongly to tactics. In United there is no such things atm, only 11 boys running around randomly.
We are able to build from the back with Van Gaal with Smalling as one of our main CBs. We should be able to play out of the back without playing midfielders there. And Mourinho teams did not really play that well out of the back even when he had CBs who were technical.
Wouldn't be a bad signing for the 8th best team in the league.
Nah even the sides who are going to be relegated can do better than this.
The only time we were able to build from the back was with Blind or Carrick filling in the CB role. Blind at Ajax in his first spell played as a LB/CDM, so you could actually say that even when he was here we actually had to resort to a midfielder playing as a CB, so it's not really a new concept. Selling Blind is obviously on Mourinho, cannot do much about Carrick retiring. The closest we get to a ball playing CBs that we have are probably Rojo and Lindelöf, the former is constantly injured, the latter, as I've said before, fails to consistently do it for us for one reason or another.
Blind was only really a midfielder his last season at Ajax and his first season here. The rest of his senior career was at LB/CB/RB. And Mourinho has not really has not really had sides that build from the back even when he had the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Lucio, Ramos, etc. I do not know why we are acting like the CBs are the only thing stopping him from doing that right now.
It's funny because it's true. Plus with Granqvist you loose the excuse of loosing in penalties shootout.