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I'm not going to slate him or praise him. He is a neat technical player and fielding him against a team like Burnley was a mistake. But saturday was a great feeling because Ole had faith in him and when he scored it showed what Manchester United is all about. In Pogba's absence he should get his shot and play a free role without pressure against PSG. Just hope that at least Herrera or Matic are available for that one.
 

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He'll have a decent career. But he wont end up making it at a club of United's level.

Last season at Valencia summed him up quite well. 2 or 3 eye catching performances but generally not enough to earn a place in the team. And I believe that league suits him a lot better than the PL.
As far as I'm aware, like with most loanees, he was a bit part player there as well?
 

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Nice neat player but not too dissimilar to the ex lad that plays for Belgium, technically good but needs time and space to deliver it. Neither were quick or strong enough for the Prem, he I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise. Yesterday openness of the second half allowed him to play where before it, he has really struggled.
 

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I think he should replace Mata's place in the squad, can be backup on the wing, whilst also capable of playing centrally.
 

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Always been a fan of Pereira, think he has a lot of ability, can pick a pass, can put tackles in, and is pretty deadly from free kicks around the box (hope we get one against PSG), and has a terrific shot from open play (Saturday). For some reason Jose saw him as a possible replacement for Matic? Although, in the right league he could be very good there, but not the EPL, where he will constantly be put under pressure, and not physically strong enough. I've always thought he was a 10, or the tip in a diamond shape, and until Matic, Herrera, Lingard and Mata are fit, should get a good run in the team, if he does, I hope he can grasp the mettle and prove to everyone that he could be a useful player for United in the future, he certainly seems passionate about the club, so Andreas, it's up to you mate. I appreciate that some posters don't rate him at all, and that's fair enough, but he plays for Manchester United, and for anyone who pulls that shirt on, I have nothing but support.
 

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He'll be starting on Wednesday won't he? In the same midfield (with McT and Fred) that got dominated by Reading. God damn that's worrying.
 

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He'll be starting on Wednesday won't he? In the same midfield (with McT and Fred) that got dominated by Reading. God damn that's worrying.
he must be number 10 and central with the other two acting as double pivot. see the difference in the 1st half and 2nd half here:

 

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he must be number 10 and central with the other two acting as double pivot. see the difference in the 1st half and 2nd half here:

Yeah I know that, but there's also a massive difference in quality between PSG and Southampton. He had a lot of space against Soton in that 2nd half. Tuchel brought Marquinhos from defence into midfield to stifle Pogba and it worked a treat. Would Pereira be able to live with that pressure, if he employs a similar tactic? Would he, along with Fred and McT be able to wrest control of midfield away from Veratti and Paredes?

I hope for the best, but I'll admit I'm fearful. Our team is depleted and lacks a lot of experience and, dare I say, quality.
 

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Yeah I know that, but there's also a massive difference in quality between PSG and Southampton. He had a lot of space against Soton in that 2nd half. Tuchel brought Marquinhos from defence into midfield to stifle Pogba and it worked a treat. Would Pereira be able to live with that pressure, if he employs a similar tactic? Would he, along with Fred and McT be able to wrest control of midfield away from Veratti and Paredes?

I hope for the best, but I'll admit I'm fearful. Our team is depleted and lacks a lot of experience and, dare I say, quality.
psg won't employ that tactic imo. it was specific to counter the threat of pogba. We must focus first and foremost on solid defensive structure . that was most certainly lacking in the 1st half against Southampton. psg will cut through us like knife through butter if we start McT as DM and Periera at RCM. ole pulled pogba deep to stop us getting overrun 2nd half. I don't expect us to dominate possesion or anything but we must give ourself a chance by setting up correctly and use the right moment to attack. The Reading game we was set up wrong and Southampton 1st half we was set up wrong again. Periera is not Herrera at all.
 
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Yeah I know that, but there's also a massive difference in quality between PSG and Southampton. He had a lot of space against Soton in that 2nd half. Tuchel brought Marquinhos from defence into midfield to stifle Pogba and it worked a treat. Would Pereira be able to live with that pressure, if he employs a similar tactic? Would he, along with Fred and McT be able to wrest control of midfield away from Veratti and Paredes?

I hope for the best, but I'll admit I'm fearful. Our team is depleted and lacks a lot of experience and, dare I say, quality.
They will certainly get some experience from this, which should bode well for the future.
 

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Really strange namedrop there.

Cleverley didnt have end product. He had consistant high percentage sideways passing. More like McTominay.

Andreas hasnt done well with his ball retention passing making him almost the opposite of Cleverley. Andreas has end product but he needs to work on general passing play and not losing the ball. Thats more like Nani
I meant that in terms of overall quality as opposed to a stylistic comparison. Like Cleverley, Periera has his moments but the overall package isn't really good enough for this level.
 

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He's made it into Garth Crook's team of the week. He's made it in life. The biggest accolade he could hope to achieve. The zenith of his professional career. Every step from here will be down.
 

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I meant that in terms of overall quality as opposed to a stylistic comparison. Like Cleverley, Periera has his moments but the overall package isn't really good enough for this level.
Oh, then I would say its still a bit off.

Andreas has the ability to do things like score his goal, or a freekick, or a good cross. Cleverley didnt have that. He was just average at everything other than keeping the ball where he was perhaps a bit better than some of our other players at the time but its not like he would have even been mentioned if he was playing for a club mid table in La Liga or something.

I can't say Andreas proven himself to be a better player than Cleverley was for us because Andreas is just starting and will obviously need more time to show what he can do. He's worse than Cleverley in terms of keeping the ball and just keeping things ticking.

But if he keeps playing he will score more great goals. Cleverley didnt have something like that where he'll pop up with match-winning quality moments. He was just a cog in the machine, consistently average while Andreas will have ups and downs as he scores screamers, creates a goal or has a game where he does neither and doesnt keep the ball very well either. More feast or famine, ups and downs but as he develops he'll stand out a lot more than someone like Cleverley.

Doesnt mean he'll make it at United but if he doesnt end up making it at United I think he'll be able to stay in one of the top leagues, premier league, serie a or la liga and make it as a starter for a team around 6th. Cleverley didnt really make it at Everton, was a backup and then sold on and Watford are 8th. So my current estimation would be that he will prove himself 1 level above due to his standout qualities, but longterm wont make it here and will look to be a starter at another good club.
 

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Oh, then I would say its still a bit off.

Andreas has the ability to do things like score his goal, or a freekick, or a good cross. Cleverley didnt have that. He was just average at everything other than keeping the ball where he was perhaps a bit better than some of our other players at the time but its not like he would have even been mentioned if he was playing for a club mid table in La Liga or something.

I can't say Andreas proven himself to be a better player than Cleverley was for us because Andreas is just starting and will obviously need more time to show what he can do. He's worse than Cleverley in terms of keeping the ball and just keeping things ticking.

But if he keeps playing he will score more great goals. Cleverley didnt have something like that where he'll pop up with match-winning quality moments. He was just a cog in the machine, consistently average while Andreas will have ups and downs as he scores screamers, creates a goal or has a game where he does neither and doesnt keep the ball very well either. More feast or famine, ups and downs but as he develops he'll stand out a lot more than someone like Cleverley.

Doesnt mean he'll make it at United but if he doesnt end up making it at United I think he'll be able to stay in one of the top leagues, premier league, serie a or la liga and make it as a starter for a team around 6th. Cleverley didnt really make it at Everton, was a backup and then sold on and Watford are 8th. So my current estimation would be that he will prove himself 1 level above due to his standout qualities, but longterm wont make it here and will look to be a starter at another good club.
As I said, it was not a stylistic comparison. Not sure why you still treated it like one.

We probably close to agreement in overall level. Cleverley got a good few England caps. Andreas will be a decent player but not top class
 

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As I said, it was not a stylistic comparison. Not sure why you still treated it like one.

We probably close to agreement in overall level. Cleverley got a good few England caps. Andreas will be a decent player but not top class
Because his trajectory will be different. He'll score some screamers and he'll be compared to Lampard, then he'll go 6 or 7 games without a goal and will be compared to Cleverley. Then he'll score another screamer or set up a goal and he's the new Kaka. Back to 5 average games and hes the new Anderson. Then he scores again and he's Scholes' successor. Etc.

Cleverely was the same thing throughout. An average sideways passer.
 
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Pereira is not going to get a better chance to stamp his authority within the squad and convince the management in giving him a new deal and be reliant upon him for future games.
He's talked big in the past in wanting to desperately make it here so now's the chance.
Its all on him.
 

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Pereira is not going to get a better chance to stamp his authority within the squad and convince the management in giving him a new deal and be reliant upon him for future games.
He's talked big in the past in wanting to desperately make it here so now's the chance.
Its all on him.
Yes he will. One game, against PSG, in Paris, with a depleted squad, after they thrashed our first-team at Old Trafford... is not really the best example to judge him on, is it?

He'll get more and better chances between now and the end of the season however this goes.
 
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Its clear,having watched his compilation above,that his talents shine through alot more evidently when he's played closer to goal.
His lack of physical dominance is less of a issue there.In central midfield,alongside McTomminay,he was a obvious target for Soton and with just reason.
 
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Yes he will. One game, against PSG, in Paris, with a depleted squad, after they thrashed our first-team at Old Trafford... is not really the best example to judge him on, is it?

He'll get more and better chances between now and the end of the season however this goes.
I didn't mention PSG .I'm actually going to give him,and his likely midfield partner McTomminay,the benefit of the doubt because they're going against far greater,experienced individuals.
But past that game,and possibly the Arse match,he's not going to have a greater opportunity.
 

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I didn't mention PSG .I'm actually going to give him,and his likely midfield partner McTomminay,the benefit of the doubt because they're going against far greater,experienced individuals.
But past that game,and possibly the Arse match,he's not going to have a greater opportunity.
Misunderstanding then. As you were :D
 

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Because his trajectory will be different. He'll score some screamers and he'll be compared to Lampard, then he'll go 6 or 7 games without a goal and will be compared to Cleverley. Then he'll score another screamer or set up a goal and he's the new Kaka. Back to 5 average games and hes the new Anderson. Then he scores again and he's Scholes' successor. Etc.

Cleverely was the same thing throughout. An average sideways passer.
Being compared to Lampard, Kaka or Scholes is certainly not the trajectory I see him having.

Because he has a nice right foot he'll have the odd good shot or cross which will occasionally lead to a goal. But nobody will call him the next Lampard, Kaka or Scholes because they were all really complete well rounded high quality players and he clearly isn't.

While stylistically I would agree that he's different than Cleverley, in terms of quality I'd argue there's little difference. Hell if you want to even just look at attacking contribution there's no real difference.

Pereira's played roughly 90 club games and scored 8 goals. Cleverley has played roughly 290 games and scored 29 goals. Pereira managed one goal last season in 29 games for the team that finished 4th in La Liga.
 

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Being compared to Lampard, Kaka or Scholes is certainly not the trajectory I see him having.

Because he has a nice right foot he'll have the odd good shot or cross which will occasionally lead to a goal. But nobody will call him the next Lampard, Kaka or Scholes because they were all really complete well rounded high quality players and he clearly isn't.

While stylistically I would agree that he's different than Cleverley, in terms of quality I'd argue there's little difference. Hell if you want to even just look at attacking contribution there's no real difference.

Pereira's played roughly 90 club games and scored 8 goals. Cleverley has played roughly 290 games and scored 29 goals. Pereira managed one goal last season in 29 games for the team that finished 4th in La Liga.
In right midfield, which isnt his position which is why he got 3 assists and 1 goal in 12 starts in the league. Right of midfield he made more goals than he scored. If he plays centrally he'll have more chance to shoot than playing on the right of midfield.

Cleverley managed 1 goal and 2 assists in 22 starts. So yes, there is a difference
 

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He actually had 2 attempts. The first was in the first few minutes of the first half and was turned away for a corner. It was a good shot, he almost caught the keeper off guard with a dropping shot.
Was more of an overhit cross that the keeper made more of than he needed to, but hey it got us a corner
 

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In right midfield, which isnt his position which is why he got 3 assists and 1 goal in 12 starts in the league. Right of midfield he made more goals than he scored. If he plays centrally he'll have more chance to shoot than playing on the right of midfield.

Cleverley managed 1 goal and 2 assists in 22 starts. So yes, there is a difference
You're splitting hairs and you know it.

But yeah, I'm happy to wait for all the Lampard, Kaka and Scholes comparisons to start rolling in. Feel free to let me know when it happens.
 

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You're splitting hairs and you know it.

But yeah, I'm happy to wait for all the Lampard, Kaka and Scholes comparisons to start rolling in. Feel free to let me know when it happens.
How? Cleverley has less productivity in 10 more matches than Andreas last season. That sums it up. You cant compare a player coming off the bench on 80 mins with someone starting each match and say they played the same amount.
 

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How? Cleverley has less productivity in 10 more matches than Andreas last season. That sums it up. You cant compare a player coming off the bench on 80 mins with someone starting each match and say they played the same amount.
I'm not doing the whole dig up a million stats to prove small margins stuff you like to do. So lets just simplify it and not waste our time.

I stand by my claim that he's about as good a player as Cleverley albeit not all that similar in style.

You seem to think he's more like Lampard, Kaka or Scholes or at least you think other people will think that. This is based on the idea that even though he hasn't done it so far, he is destined to score some great goals in the future when United decide to accommodate him in his best position (despite having better players for the position) To be clear you don't think he's as god as those players yourself. You just think others will make the mistaken comparison.

I think you are giving this too much thought as Solskjaer can probably see that he's not good enough to rely on and will not use him much once the injured payers are back and he's had a chance to sign some players. I actually think there's quite a good chance he moves on this Summer.
 

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I'm not doing the whole dig up a million stats to prove small margins stuff you like to do. So lets just simplify it and not waste our time.

I stand by my claim that he's about as good a player as Cleverley albeit not all that similar in style.

You seem to think he's more like Lampard, Kaka or Scholes or at least you think other people will think that. This is based on the idea that even though he hasn't done it so far, he is destined to score some great goals in the future when United decide to accommodate him in his best position (despite having better players for the position) To be clear you don't think he's as god as those players yourself. You just think others will make the mistaken comparison.

I think you are giving this too much thought as Solskjaer can probably see that he's not good enough to rely on and will not use him much once the injured payers are back and he's had a chance to sign some players. I actually think there's quite a good chance he moves on this Summer.
Yes, I think it'll be typical Redcafe and when he scores some great goals people will get too excited and think he'll improve for sure and be as good as Lampard, like with Gibson and Nick Powell. Even Scholes said Ander could be our next goalscoring midfielder after his first season at United. Thats one side of things.

Then theres the other side of things where players get underrated when they make some mistakes, like I think he's being underrated if you think hes the same level as Cleverley. I think his good performances will be better and his off days might be worse.

And to be clear, when I was younger I did the same thing. I probably made a post or two suggesting Gibson or Powell will certainly improve and get more and more goals for us each season. But for a couple of years now I've understood that that theres no divine right for young players to improve each season like they might do in computer games. So many examples of young players who burst on the scene and thats actually their high point and they struggle to repeat it. Or an injury. Or something else happens and they lose themselves along the way.

Anyway the point is, Ronaldo would describe Andreas' trajectory as "polemic". When he does what he is capable of doing he'll look like a great player and people will get carried away with that. And when he has a run of games where he isnt smashing in a great freekick or longshot he'll probably be described as a championship player by some. So the general view on him is going to be up and down with people reacting too much to 1 or 2 performances where hes great or terrible.

I think if he carries on after this recent performance and does well in the next couple of weeks he might stay. But if he doesnt follow up his great goal and the assist, I maintain he'll be a good player for another club. I expect he'll have extra credit with Solskjaer because Ole knows what he can do from the reserves. Obviously its not going to translate 1:1 with the premier league, but if you're scoring screamers from 25 yards right in the top corner in the reserves then you're capable of it in the first team too. Its just about Pereira getting himself into the kind of position he did at the weekend and backing himself like he did. He hasnt really done that in his other matches this season, partly because Mourinho was playing him as a DM and nullifying the most outstanding thing he can do. Strike the ball at the goal.
 

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Him and Dalot are the best crossers on our team. And long range shooters from the looks of it. Looked up how YouTube highlights and that shot from outside the box is somewhere executed quite a few times in Valencia.Technically he’s very good and boy does he believe in his own ability.
 

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The Liverpool performance actually left me with more hope that he’ll make it here than the one at Southampton, strangely enough. In that game he showed he had a lot of fight in him and in a massive game too. The technical ability is there, but he hasn’t put it together frequently enough yet.

That goal is massive though, such a confidence booster. He should get a run out as an 8 on Weds, which is ideal really as I can’t see much hope if he’s gotta make his name here as a 10. I think we’re all agreed a 6 isn’t the way forward at this point.
 

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An amazing goal and an assist.

Why is everyone so negative? He is a cracking prospect and will only get better with games. He reminds me of Coutinho. He seems to have better defensive qualities aswell so I fancy him in a midfield 3.
 

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Yep as I said not all, but lets be honest...Is Lingard even that special either? He's fairly average and hasn't really stepped up. He's a work horse and will put shift in similar enough to Park.
 

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Yep as I said not all, but lets be honest...Is Lingard even that special either? He's fairly average and hasn't really stepped up. He's a work horse and will put shift in similar enough to Park.
Park and Lingard average? Both have put in key contributions in massive games I don't understand how they still get underrated by our own fans.
 
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