[DWelbz19]

I disagree, we could have gotten way better fees for a lot of players by selling them a year earlier instead of letting them rot on the bench for a half or full season.

I mean, Lingard is a great example. He's going for free and contributing next to nothing because our visionless manager wanted to keep instead of cashing 20-25 million.
Herrera was let go on a free as well. Could Martial have gotten an actual fee in the summer? Who knows. If Donny has no future he should've been going on loan in the summer to raise his value asap, etc, etc. Pogba leaving for free is is bizarre as well.

The big reason why we're the highest net spend in the last decade is because we don't sell properly, exceptions like Dan James aside.
I agree that letting go instead of handing out a new contract is better some times, but why put yourself in that position in the first place?
Let's not pretend like the Glazers hand the club unlimited transfer funds. If we'd sold better we'd have more money to spend.

Club	Incomings	Sales	Net
Manchester United	1.545	470	-1.075
Manchester City	1.699	715	-984
Paris Saint-Germain	1.445	504	-941
Barcelona	1.630	980	-650
Arsenal	1.029	446	-583
Juventus	1.542	981	-561
AC Milan	884	452	-432
Everton	911	482	-429
Aston Villa	701	277	-424
Chelsea	1.614	1.201	-413

Barca getting nearly a double back what we have for their dross is pretty impressive. Neymar-tax aside, who the hell have they sold that went for big money? Can’t even think of any of the top of my head

 

[VanDeBank]

Barca getting nearly a double back what we have for their dross is pretty impressive. Neymar-tax aside, who the hell have they sold that went for big money? Can’t even think of any of the top of my head

Firpo for 15m is so damn impressive.

 

[L1nk]

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[Red_toad]

Stories circulating that his transfer deal is going to collapse.

 

[FireballXL5]

Stories circulating that his transfer deal is going to collapse.

I'm trying to decide which we're worst at...buying players or selling them.

 

[Coops73]

Stories circulating that his transfer deal is going to collapse.

Coming from the Mirror according to the Sky sports gossip section and they seem to have a real hard on for us with negative news at the moment.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

A good deal for Flamengo. Fully expect them to sell him on in a year or two for at least 15 million

If he makes the world cup squad. They might sell him on quicker

 

[Red_toad]

I'm trying to decide which we're worst at...buying players or selling them.

Can’t really blame United if they change their mind.

 

[dinostar77]

Can’t really blame United if they change their mind.

Yes we can we need to get rid of fringe players like him asap.

 

[Red_toad]

Yes we can we need to get rid of fringe players like him asap.

Hmmm ok then…

 

[United in sin]

If he makes the world cup squad. They might sell him on quicker

They love him there and he seems to as well. It's probably best for him to remain in sunny Brazil

 

[Relevated]

Keep seeing rumours that ETH would welcome him back if the deal falls through. Does that make sense to anyone?

 

[foolsgold]

I don't know, there's good fundamental skills and he's a hard working player.

It's difficult to judge players that have been so poorly coached and managed over the last couple of years, if ETH fancies him then I'm willing to trust him.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

man i was a huge pereira FC man but this would be pretty damn hard to be excited about ha.

 

[Ali Dia]

Keep seeing rumours that ETH would welcome him back if the deal falls through. Does that make sense to anyone?

Negotiation tactic. No manager is going to say a player is shit and then try and sell them for millions. Someone will come in for him. I’m sure it’s his wages relative to his current ability that is the main problem. It’s a problem of our own making, yet again.

 

[CallyRed]

Can't believe he is still with us. If any club is looking for someone who has a decent preseason, he's your man.

 

[lex talionis]

A club that can McTominay on its books shouldn't look down its nose on Pereira.

It's probably going to take two full seasons of player transitions out and in to be able to compete for a PL title. Hopefully we bring in two midfielders this summer, but with Pogba (only 99% sure of that), Lingard (100% sure), Matic (100% sure) and Mata (100% sure) all leaving this summer, even if we bring in two midfielders we need to work with what we've got. I'm intrigued by Garner and I hope ETH brings him up, but we could use Pereira for depth.

 

[led_scholes]

Keep seeing rumours that ETH would welcome him back if the deal falls through. Does that make sense to anyone?

Well someone has to get Matas and Lingard minute. If we are also in Conf or Europa, we know he can do it at this level at the earlier stages. Honestly, if we Flamengo only bids at around 5 million, I don't think anyone would care if we don't sell him. His contract ends next year, so I don't think anyone will offer much.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Whooh, he's coming back !

 

[ehsanul]

Worst fears are confirmed,the shit is coming back.

 

[Relevated]

I'll be honest I've always preferred him over beans mate

 

[Chesterlestreet]

He'll be like a new - and insanely underwhelming - signing.

Seriously, though - we can't agree terms with Flamengo, whose manager apparently wants him?

What sort of money are we talking about here?

 

[Gandalf]

He'll be like a new - and insanely underwhelming - signing.

Seriously, though - we can't agree terms with Flamengo, whose manager apparently wants him?

What sort of money are we talking about here?

The issue is the fans don't want him because of the cup final mistake. He has been pretty decent for them but he could not have picked a worse game to drop a clanger in. His agent is supposedly shopping him to clubs in Europe and he does seem to be clear that his future is not at Old Trafford so we may be able to move him on if we are realistic about the fee.

 

[diarm]

He'll be like a new - and insanely underwhelming - signing.

Seriously, though - we can't agree terms with Flamengo, whose manager apparently wants him?

What sort of money are we talking about here?

There was reportedly an £8m deal agreed in January but it fell through.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

There was reportedly an £8m deal agreed in January but it fell through.

Yes - but why did it fall through?

I mean, 8 mill sounds reasonable.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The issue is the fans don't want him because of the cup final mistake.

But the (current) manager apparently rates him...it seems.

And (see above) the fee in question is relatively speaking pocket change anyway (8 mill).

Offer them...what, six mill then? To get him off our books. Surely better than bringing him back - unless we actually want to bring back an utterly mediocre 26 year old player.

 

[diarm]

Yes - but why did it fall through?

I mean, 8 mill sounds reasonable.

Oh that I don't know. Sorry.

Woodward probably tried to pull something last minute I'd imagine.

 

[Giggsyking]

let him go for 5m.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Woodward probably tried to pull something last minute I'd imagine.

Yeah, who knows.

Five minutes worth of googling brings up at least one "story" that seems insane enough at first glance - something to do with Brazilian banks, or a particular Brazilian bank tied to Flamengo.

I can't be arsed to look further into it.

But the bottom line is - surely - that bringing back this player seems...odd.

 

[Gandalf]

But the (current) manager apparently rates him...it seems.

The manager does but the fans have apparently been quite vocal about not wanting him and the board have made it clear that they are going to listen to the fans and not the manager on this one so dropping the price is not the issue. I do think other clubs will be interested around the 5M mark. Andreas is not going to be good enough to play regularly for us but the reality is that he has played 200 senior games spread across the top leagues in England, Spain, Italy and Brazil and is more than good enough for a role with a mid tier side and he is also just 26 years old with no significant history of injuries nor are there any red flags about his attitude or commitment.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Here you go. Some issues with the fans but primarily due to cash flow problems at the club.

He hasn't returned yet actually, started their last game and scored but it is certain he will be returning. He is on his way back because

1. In the Libertadores final his sloppy pass gifted the winning goal to Palmeiras and so regardless of how he has played in other games the fans cannot forgive him. Very unfortunate as up to that point he had played really well and was popular enough but in the aftermath the fans turned on him and for a while his form suffered too although he seems to have come out of that now.
2. Flamengo have encountered some financial issues since initially agreeing to sign him permanently. The deal was supposedly around 8M which was less than the purchase clause in the contract but before it could go through they hit some cashflow issues and adding in the fans attitude they have decided not to finalize the move.

Edit, just noticed this article. Seems it is not quite dead but maybe only in a Monty Python kind of way

Flamengo manager reveals Andreas Pereira Manchester United transfer request - Manchester Evening News

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The manager does but the fans have apparently been quite vocal about not wanting him and the board have made it clear that they are going to listen to the fans and not the manager on this one so dropping the price is not the issue. I do think other clubs will be interested around the 5M mark. Andreas is not going to be good enough to play regularly for us but the reality is that he has played 200 senior games spread across the top leagues in England, Spain, Italy and Brazil and is more than good enough for a role with a mid tier side and he is also just 26 years old with no significant history of injuries nor are there any red flags about his attitude or commitment.

Aha - right.

That makes sense.

Given the circumstances, then - do you think it's possible to make a deal with another Brazilian (Rio?) club?

(I mean, he's already there - might be more feasible than a European club.)

 

[crossy1686]

Yes - but why did it fall through?

I mean, 8 mill sounds reasonable.

Because he did this in their CL final

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[golden_blunder]

There was reportedly an £8m deal agreed in January but it fell through.

No the deal was for 15m I believe
At least according to articles

 

[Gandalf]

Aha - right.

That makes sense.

Given the circumstances, then - do you think it's possible to make a deal with another Brazilian (Rio?) club?

(I mean, he's already there - might be more feasible than a European club.)

It is possible but the latest stories from his camp are that he prefers a move back to Europe and honestly there is not a lot of money in Brazilian football so even a 5M transfer fee would be a big deal to most clubs there.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

It is possible but the latest stories from his camp are that he prefers a move back to Europe and honestly there is not a lot of money in Brazilian football so even a 5M transfer fee would be a big deal to most clubs there.

Yeah, true.

I remember looking at average wages across the leagues a while back...I believe it was in relation to Rojo and a possible move for him back to Argentina. And - yeah - the discrepancy is insane.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Because he did this in their CL final

Heh, yes - I'm aware of that .

But seriously - that can't be the reason.

A serious football club don't decide to sign or not sign a player based on that.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I'll be honest I've always preferred him over beans mate

Same

 

[crossy1686]

Heh, yes - I'm aware of that .

But seriously - that can't be the reason.

A serious football club don't decide to sign or not sign a player based on that.

Not Brazil, but players have been kidnapped and shot in South America for just as much or less. I think it’s within everyone’s best interests in the club want to listen to the fans on this one.

Also, he can’t have many friends in the dressing room after that.

 

[Garethw]

So there are rumours online that ETH sees him as a part of the squad next season.