Probably he has fulfilled his potential as a PL level player, which is good. This is not surprising as he has managed to find a club that plays him regularly and trusts him.I always thought he was talented and should have been kept at the club for someone like ETH. Yes, he may not have developed or be playing the way he has if he didn't have the regular game time he has at Fulham but then I look at the way ETH is seemingly reviving the careers of most of our players e.g getting a regular tune out of Fred, AWB (recent performances), Shaw, Dalot, Rashford etc. You would imagine ETH could have done with someone of Pereira's work ethic with his pressing, creative and technical ability off the bench.
I suppose for Pereira though, he probably didn't want that after being on the peripheral for long, which is fair and Utd got a fee after historically being terrible at it.
One thing I'm curious though, has he actually really improved this season or just has consistent minutes to do the good things more regularly? I've only seen snippets of Fulham's game and I still see him being hard working, capable in recycling possession, great crossing ability but sometimes a bit too excited/immature with his play with ball losses.
We managed half a season as a top six-ish team with him starting at #10.Wonder how many posters said he isn't PL quality, won't start for any PL club and he is a lower league quality.
My guess is if a serious offer for Donnie had come in (say 20M from Italy), he might have stayed to be Bruno's backup.https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-news-andreas-pereira-27127124
I remember the media suggesting that Pereira would get the chance by Ten Hag during the summer. It didn’t sound realistic, but it makes more sense now, and fair play to him for finally getting his career going. He had some terrible games for us, (who didn’t during the post Fergie era?), but the talent was always there, and I think it’s a good chance Ten Hag would make good use of him.
When that’s said, I still belive it was the right decision to sell him. Bruno is capable of playing almost every game, and the the guy is 27 now. Selling players with success will make it easier for us to move on players in the future aswell.
He never had a chance under a proper manager here. We were also always in shambles..
I suppose for Pereira though, he probably didn't want that after being on the peripheral for long, which is fair and Utd got a fee after historically being terrible at it.
One thing I'm curious though, has he actually really improved this season or just has consistent minutes to do the good things more regularly? I've only seen snippets of Fulham's game and I still see him being hard working, capable in recycling possession, great crossing ability but sometimes a bit too excited/immature with his play with ball losses.
it was just representative of how poor we were run, we were so imbalanced in midfield for many season. No real dms for so long.The line-ups have him playing in a #10 role this season for Fulham. If that's accurate it doesn't surprise me that he's doing well.
People tend to forget it, but he did quite well for us the only time he actually got a run of games in a more attacking position in the first half of 19/20 (both at #10 and right wing). Not good enough to be a starter of course, but certainly enough to be a decent squad player. The rest of his time here he was always played in a deeper central midfield role where he was terrible, and people let that colour them to when he actually did do well.
It was actually one of the stupidest mistakes Ole made. Andreas did well in those attacking roles (far better than Lingard and Mata that season), but he had to be moved back into midfield for a couple of games when we had a lot of injuries and his bad performances there meant he somehow fell back behind Lingard and Mata in the pecking order for the more attacking roles.
We managed half a season as a top six-ish team with him starting at #10.
On the other hand he was pretty average in Brazil and Flamengo didn't even want to pay 2-3m fee to sign him. Lazio never wanted him either.
Pretty neat that it worked out for him at Fulham. Good coaches can improve players.
It was the main reason: the CL final mistake and he did a similar mistake during season start at Flamengo. Even though he was rated by their manager, fans would never forgive him and was time to move on.Was he average in Brazil? I thought everyone rated him, but then made a mistake in the CL final, which made it difficult for the president to make an offer due to some hard core fans opposing it. But the staff wanted to buy him.
Big problem for young players at big clubs. It’s all well and good keeping players at the club to train with the first team and learn tactics etc, but game time is king. Axel Tuanzebe is the perfect example of this. Injuries have played their part, but Tuanzebe is now 25 and has only played a double digit of appearances one season his entire career! That’s mental.I’m just frustrated he didn’t get more game time earlier in his career. Really pleased for him now.
Iqbal is still young enough. However, Elanga is in trouble.Big problem for young players at big clubs. It’s all well and good keeping players at the club to train with the first team and learn tactics etc, but game time is king. Axel Tuanzebe is the perfect example of this. Injuries have played their part, but Tuanzebe is now 25 and has only played a double digit of appearances one season his entire career! That’s mental.
I also think about Iqbal being linked to Carrick’s Boro earlier in the season but the club vetoing it to give him more time to train with the first team. Great, but what good is it if he just doesn’t play?
Big clubs hoarding talent, and then not developing it is a massive problem. It also stops smaller clubs being competitive, because talent is just being locked away in the reserves.Big problem for young players at big clubs. It’s all well and good keeping players at the club to train with the first team and learn tactics etc, but game time is king. Axel Tuanzebe is the perfect example of this. Injuries have played their part, but Tuanzebe is now 25 and has only played a double digit of appearances one season his entire career! That’s mental.
I also think about Iqbal being linked to Carrick’s Boro earlier in the season but the club vetoing it to give him more time to train with the first team. Great, but what good is it if he just doesn’t play?
In period 20-24 years old, he's played 40 games in 19/20 season, and 23 in 18/19 season for us. In la Liga he played just 23 la Liga games in 17/18, and 37 games (out of which 35 La Liga games) in 16/17 season.I’m just frustrated he didn’t get more game time earlier in his career. Really pleased for him now.
That’s more than I thought. Just remember him never really being a first team regular. Must remember it wrongly.In period 20-24 years old, he's played 40 games in 19/20 season, and 23 in 18/19 season for us. In la Liga he played just 23 la Liga games in 17/18, and 37 games (out of which 35 La Liga games) in 16/17 season.
That's not small amount of games by any means. For us he's played more games than he's probably deserved because he was nowhere near good enough to be starter for United.
Personally think Elanga gets sold in summer.Iqbal is still young enough. However, Elanga is in trouble.
Pereira had a range of good loans and played regularly during all of them. A quick check would tell you he’s played over 250 professional matches at the age of 27. Lack of games for our younger players has been an issue in the past, but not for Pereira. He was even given a really good go here until it became clear he was never going to be good enough.I’m just frustrated he didn’t get more game time earlier in his career. Really pleased for him now.
he’s basically playing like Eriksen but for Fulham and in Bruno’s position. Last time I checked he was the second most creative player behind KdB with chances created. He’s had a massive season and he creates something of importance almost every game.Just checked the premier league stats on the BBC website and they have him fourth in the premier league with 6 assists. Just behind Eriksen. He's also got 2 goals. I haven't seen him play with Fulham but he seems to be doing very well. I'm happy for him. I always liked him.
Or just sell them for decent money in the first place with a sell on clause. Murtough failNeed to put a buy back clause for every academy player we plan to sell.
In the case of Iqbal, the staff must feel that staying at the training grounds is more beneficial to his development than going out on loan. I think we tend to forget that 95% of the players time with a football is spent on the training grounds, not on matchday.Big problem for young players at big clubs. It’s all well and good keeping players at the club to train with the first team and learn tactics etc, but game time is king. Axel Tuanzebe is the perfect example of this. Injuries have played their part, but Tuanzebe is now 25 and has only played a double digit of appearances one season his entire career! That’s mental.
I also think about Iqbal being linked to Carrick’s Boro earlier in the season but the club vetoing it to give him more time to train with the first team. Great, but what good is it if he just doesn’t play?
