Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?

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Between the Premier League, Champions League, and the League Cup, we have played a total of 14 games so far this season.

We have had a very poor start to the campaign, yet there was a standout match when we played really well.

That match was against Crystal Palace at home in the Carabao Cup, when we won 3-0

...Bruno and Rashford didn't play in that 3-0 win, yet they have played in every other game this season.

Are Bruno and Rashford a problem, or was it just a coincidence that in the best match we have played this season, Bruno and Rashford didn't feature?
 
Their poor form is a big problem. You want your best players to step up and be at their best, and both have been utter garbage. But he know that dropping them would create problems. It's a very difficult situation to handle.
 
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Their poor form is a big problem. You want your best players to step up and be at their best, and both have been utter garbage. But he know that dropping them would create problems. It's a very difficult situation to handle.
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Keep starting them will drive him right into a sacking.
 
They’re THE problem.

Rashford - a good footballer who appeared at the best time possible in United’s recent history. They needed a poster boy to show they were still relevant and he fit the bill. He’s gone on to prove to be bang average year after year, yet has been rewarded for his mediocrity with two/three improved contracts putting him on >300k a week.

Bruno is a Hollywood player, capable of great passes that slice open defences, but NOT capable of controlling a midfield battle. He is neither the patience or discipline to do this and, as such, we will never get to where we want to be with him as our main creative force.
 
Rashford being told to press by ETH and having none of it.

Expect him to start pulling his weight when ETH is sacked and hit another purple patch.
 
kouroux said:
Keep starting them will drive him right into a sacking.
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It’s difficult to understand why he couldn’t even rotate these two when we play 2-3 games a week, it’s a big concern and it’s also why i cannot defend ETH anymore.
 
They are a problem because of their status in the team. They are two of the highest paid and most influential players at the club and seemingly undroppable, no matter how poor they are. That to me shows they aren't held accountable for their performances
 
They're woefully out of form. It was quite alarming just how much simply more effort was apparent from the entire side when they both didn't play against Palace in the league cup. We had more energy, and purpose.

Just rotate them at the very least, take some chances on some other players who you know actually aren't letting the side down every week.
 
Vastly overrated players, treated and paid like undroppable superstars when they're nowhere close to defending that status.

At least make them earn their spot in the team like everyone else. We're no longer good enough to carry players who have to play themselves into form like in the past.
 
They don’t fit his system, yet he persists on playing them. Shows weakness.
 
It's a catch-22 for Ten Hag to be fair. Say he drops the two and United continue to be shit and lose. Then you have another media circus on our hands.
 
Ah I don’t know anymore. Last few years it was Ronaldo, Maguire, McFred, Pogba, Fellaini, Rooney. Probably more scapegoats. We will take these two out and will start blaming someone new.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
It's a catch-22 for Ten Hag to be fair. Say he drops the two and United continue to be shit and lose. Then you have another media circus on our hands.
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We won't find out if he doesn't try. It doesn't even help them to keep playing them, they're not showing any signs of slight improvement
 
KiD MoYeS said:
It's a catch-22 for Ten Hag to be fair. Say he drops the two and United continue to be shit and lose. Then you have another media circus on our hands.
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Again, his focus should be more on the shit on a stick football his team plays not what the media says.

They wholly deserved to get dropped too. Not like anyone would say it’s undeserved.
 
They might be talented players individually but they make us a worse team.
 
It's quite simple really

In the successful utd teams of ol' both both would be non-starters or players used for rotations because of how good a first 11 was.

Now they're our so called 'important' players because the others are average. This the how low our standard is and we are so far away to be challenging, it's scary.

I just wish we had players who give consistent performances.
 
The Oracle said:
Between the Premier League, Champions League, and the League Cup, we have played a total of 14 games so far this season.

We have had a very poor start to the campaign, yet there was a standout match when we played really well.

That match was against Crystal Palace at home in the Carabao Cup, when we won 3-0

...Bruno and Rashford didn't play in that 3-0 win, yet they have played in every other game this season.

Are Bruno and Rashford a problem, or was it just a coincidence that in the best match we have played this season, Bruno and Rashford didn't feature?
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That was a weakened Palace team to be fair.
 
They are as they are senior players and are playing so poorly. They should be driving the team forward, not hinder us
 
We treat them like superstars when they are far from it. Rashford scored 4 more PL league goals last season than Harvey Barnes who Newcastle brought in as a squad player.
 
No, the manager is who has provided no evidence of any style of play in close to 18 months

They aren't playing well, but nobody is. There seems to be 0 idea on how to play
 
Yes, have been for a few seasons apart from some purple patches of productivity that masked their overall performance levels. We’re going nowhere with them, and it was clear for a long time now for anyone that understands football. Unfortunately, the managers we have had recently (Ole, ETH, etc) love a get out of the jail card that these guys used to provide from time to time and got addicted to the point where they have in fact ruined the balance of the team in favor for these supposedly quick-fix solutions.
 
It’s a huge problem when two of your “star” players have been essentially garbage for the whole season.
 
Aye. Personally I feel like they aren't exactly team players and that is a big problem with them.

Rashford thinks he has to try and do everything by himself, like the best kid in the schoolyard who never grew up who want the perfect ball to him every time or else he won't make a run or a move. But, he looks like he thinks he doesn't have to work hard to track back, his efforts for headers and high are hilarious.

Bruno thinks he always has to go for the killer ball, regardless of his situation or how much time he has. His off the ball running and pressing is poor and done is such a way that it leaves huge gaps behind for the opposition to play into. One instance that really annoyed me today, he tried a hopeless cross from way out on the wing that didn't even make it into the box. Didn't even consider playing an easier pass.

Biggest problem with both is a total lack of game intelligence and brains on the pitch, they have tunnel vision and don't see the bigger picture around them. How a situation could evolve by doing something else, or playing a different pass, making a different run to create a different angle. You can accommodate players like that if the rest of the team is a functioning unit. But when it's not and guys like that are your go to for goals and creativity you are in trouble.
 
Rashford is an easy one to solve but Bruno isnt. But i would change entire midfield before i change these 2.
 
Main problem is that when they don't play well, they often contribute nothing and are a liability.

Even when you're not playing well, you should be able to put in a disciplined performance for the team.

Bruno was all over the shop, following the ball like a puppy in midfield while Dalot was getting turned inside-out by Grealish and Silva time and again.
 
The Palace LC game we had a set of players looking to create and work for each other. The crowd enjoyed seeing football being played for once.

If Rashford and Bruno are not performing yes they're a big problem as they're very limited without their one big trick each. We play head down, lack any chemistry. Our attackers have the worst stats imaginable, there's barely any creation.

Hojlund is getting nothing from Rashford on the left, Antony we know he will cut inside and float a shot to the keeper or wide. Our attack is dead with the hero runs or passes not coming off, was never sustainable. Our wins have been excruciating last ditch.

It's time ETH looks at creation and link up play rather than names, look at Hannibal, Garnacho, and others.
 
At this point I think Rashford needs bending for sure. Bruno I'm not so sure about. He's woefully off form but he puts the yards in and we've seen what he does when it clicks. We just need a midfield that isn't so easy to play through.
 
The manager is the problem as he doesn’t know what to do with them.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
It's a catch-22 for Ten Hag to be fair. Say he drops the two and United continue to be shit and lose. Then you have another media circus on our hands.
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He is at a point where he has to try though. ETH and, well, everyone has been poor this season but I’ll back the manager 100% if he shows he is capable of dropping these two. Even if we lose the game, simply picking a team based on form is all I want.
 
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