Are the class of 92 overrated?

lsd

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Reading Roy Keanes old comments on the class of 92 being more a brand than anything else got me thinking.

Yes Scholes is a true legend and great player the others wonderful servants but were they really better than others in their positions ?

More importantly how important were they to our success ? By that I mean take the likes of Keane,Cantona,Schmeichel and later on Ronaldo and Rooney would we have been as successful had we just the class of 92 to rely on?

I get the feeling had they not come through the ranks Fergie could have pulled other players in for their positions and we would have won the same.

Without Keane,Eric etc then I doubt the same can be said .
 
No.

Between scholes giggs nevilles beckham and butt combined have thousands of appearances during the clubs most successful spell ever while coming from the same youth side and area. It's incredible really, and four of them could make arguments at having been among the best in the world in their positions at one time or another,

We hear maybe a bit too much on them these days but no, don't think they or their role in this clubs history is overrated
 
They wouldn't have won anything in the early days without the experienced players but by the late 90s it was the other way around.

Giggs and Scholes were exceptional players.
Butt was underrated, he was keeping Scholes out of the team in the early days.
Brand Beckham made people forget how good he was on the right wing.
England still haven't found a right back even close to Gary Neville.
Phil Neville is the only one who maybe hitched his wagon to the others.
 
Hmmm, when I put together my "Fergie's best XI" team, only two of them make it - Scholes and Beckham. Obviously Giggs and Neville unlucky to miss out.

I dunno, as a collective he maybe has a point, although when you look at the season they stepped up in 95/96, that was really quite an important turning point that helped propel us towards the treble year. Can't really underestimate how important it was that they all broke through around the same time (except for Giggs).
 
You have to say yes, otherwise how can you explain Robbie Savage getting so many appearances?
 
Not a chance. If anything they don't get the credit they deserve. Ryan Giggs was a good a winger as any other of his era. If anyone was overhyped it was Beckham because his fame exceeded his talent and media idiots seemed to think fame = talent. Professionally he deserved every plaudits he got. He was unique in his dead ball skills and crossing.

Keane is an excellent footballer but a very bitter man. He's going to die miserable and alone because he thinks nobody else in the world is good enough.
 
Absolutely not, no.


The level of quality and range of qualities between them is unreal. We should be appreciating them more now - not questioning them.
 
If anything it is going the other way now. Every single one of them would get in our team now and improve it. That includes Phil Neville.
 
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It has come to this ? I'm afraid of the day I'll see a thread here with a title : " Is SAF an overrated manager ?". It's coming closer now.
 
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No. Could you make an argument that individual members of that group are slightly over-hyped? Yes, you might struggle for consensus but it is certainly debatable but the overall achievement? Underrated if anything, for a group of kids to come through together, adapt as they did and make that impact. Might be the last time we see something like that happen at a major club.

Their longevity was incredible as well. Giggs and Scholes at 40, 39, Beckham was still playing into his late 30's albeit at a lower level. Butt was 36 at Newcastle, Phil the same at Everton. Gary even made it to that age despite the injuries in his last few years. They were not dropping through the leagues to do that.
 
lsd said:
Reading Roy Keanes old comments on the class of 92 being more a brand than anything else got me thinking.

Yes Scholes is a true legend and great player the others wonderful servants but were they really better than others in their positions ?

More importantly how important were they to our success ? By that I mean take the likes of Keane,Cantona,Schmeichel and later on Ronaldo and Rooney would we have been as successful had we just the class of 92 to rely on?

I get the feeling had they not come through the ranks Fergie could have pulled other players in for their positions and we would have won the same.

Without Keane,Eric etc then I doubt the same can be said .
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Can I ask how old you are and if you've ever watched them in person?
 
It's Keane, he's always a bit salty about United for some reason, that show he did with Henry picking out players showed him up as the vindictive sod that he is.

I do love watching him or reading his quotes, he's entertaining. Wouldn't take anything he ever says as gospel though. Just a very unhappy and bitter man that knows the controversial things he says will get attention.

As a Liverpool fan in answer to the OP, no they weren't overrated. Not in any world even Keanes strange one. Scholes was underrated at the time though, I always thought that when the Gerrard vs Lampard baloney was going on. Beckham is still underrated now, he's remembered by many more for the circus than his ability. Or some say all he could do was cross a ball. Total bollocks
 
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No. Could you make an argument that individual members of that group are slightly over-hyped? Yes, you might struggle for consensus but it is certainly debatable but the overall achievement? Underrated if anything, for a group of kids to come through together, adapt as they did and make that impact. Might be the last time we see something like that happen at a major club.

Their longevity was incredible as well. Giggs and Scholes at 40, 39, Beckham was still playing into his late 30's albeit at a lower level. Butt was 36 at Newcastle, Phil the same at Everton. Gary even made it to that age despite the injuries in his last few years. They were not dropping through the leagues to do that.
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Yes that's what i should have went for saying they are not overhyped than anything .

Although to say someone is overrated is not a knock on them and doesn't mean they are poor rather that they are not quite as great as sometimes made out to be.

People don't seem to understand what overrated actually means , it doesn't mean someone is poor nor does it mean they arnt great either .

I just get a lil tired sometimes of hearing the class of 92 were this phenom of legends and we couldn't have coped without them that's all .

I look back at our glory years under Fergie and more often than not I remember players that were not in this class of 92 brand

If people don't get that I'm sorry not my fault though I love the overreaction of saying I really mean fergie is crap too .
 
DevilRed said:
Can I ask how old you are and if you've ever watched them in person?
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I'm 12 Zlaton is the greatest player iv ever seen for us

I'm 50 Stevie Coppell was my hero

Not every arguement is won by asking how old are you .

Just made an observation on a day we played a garbage game that's all like I said before calling someone overrated isn't calling them rubbish
 
Giggs, scholes and to some extent Neville were part of two European championship teams nearly a decade apart.
 
lsd said:
I'm 12 Zlaton is the greatest player iv ever seen for us

I'm 50 Stevie Coppell was my hero

Not every arguement is won by asking how old are you .

Just made an observation on a day we played a garbage game that's all like I said before calling someone overrated isn't calling them rubbish
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Im not trying to be confrontational. Just wanted to know if you were old enough to have watched them in person and remember those days. Thats all.

If you had, I'd be surprised that you would have started this thread.
 
DevilRed said:
Im not trying to be confrontational. Just wanted to know if you were old enough to have watched them in person and remember those days. Thats all.

If you had, I'd be surprised that you would have started this thread.
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I know sorry mate and won't be starting any more for a while the overreaction on the cafe is amazing

me- I think Neville is slightly overrated as a player .

cafe- What do you mean Fergie is Rubbish you muppet
 
lsd said:
Reading Roy Keanes old comments on the class of 92 being more a brand than anything else got me thinking.

Yes Scholes is a true legend and great player the others wonderful servants but were they really better than others in their positions ?

More importantly how important were they to our success ? By that I mean take the likes of Keane,Cantona,Schmeichel and later on Ronaldo and Rooney would we have been as successful had we just the class of 92 to rely on?

I get the feeling had they not come through the ranks Fergie could have pulled other players in for their positions and we would have won the same.

Without Keane,Eric etc then I doubt the same can be said .
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Keane, Eric, etc were very important to the class 92. That's why we won league many times with class 92 while Arsenal couldn't win anything with RVP, Fabregas, Nasri and etc because they have zero leadership & great mentality players to help their young players.

But still, Class 92 is obviously not overrated, they also deserve the credit. Those players are pure professional footballer maniac. Not many young players nowdays can step up their performance. Too many dances, too many hair cut, too many shoes & style, too much money affect them, less passion & dedication compared to the class 92. That's what I think.
 
Until another English team replicates it, no.
 
3 of them weren't as good as the other 3, so if the 6 of them are being viewed as an equivalent collective entity talent-wise, then it's a definite YES from me
 
lsd said:
Reading Roy Keanes old comments on the class of 92 being more a brand than anything else got me thinking.

Yes Scholes is a true legend and great player the others wonderful servants but were they really better than others in their positions ?

More importantly how important were they to our success ? By that I mean take the likes of Keane,Cantona,Schmeichel and later on Ronaldo and Rooney would we have been as successful had we just the class of 92 to rely on?

I get the feeling had they not come through the ranks Fergie could have pulled other players in for their positions and we would have won the same.

Without Keane,Eric etc then I doubt the same can be said .
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Giggs and Scholes are greats. The rest are over rated vs their legends, Beckham included.
 
Yeah, somewhat. In terms of how important they were, not least in comparison with other players, sure.

But anything and anyone can be scrutinized, found less than flawless, and deemed «overrated». It's the standard among football fans these days, X is always either overrated or underrated.

Fergie's Fledglings were the perfect story for United fans, and given the quality of the players who broke through and established themselves as first teamers, it wasn't a hyped up fairy-tale either. Great to witness for a fan - I prefer to leave it at that.

As for the recent «brand» Keane refers to, that obviously smacks of hype, as these things always do.
 
How can a united fan watch united through the mid nineties for 10 years and think scholes, Beckham, Neville were overrated! They were central to a long period of success. Phil and Nicky less so but they still played their part.
 
Keane is a cnut. End of story. He always was and always will be.

Just for a while he was our cnut which made him ok :D
 
Is saying ‘something is overrated’ the laziest and least insightful way to critique something?
 
No matter what you or anyone else may think Keane, Cantona, Ronaldo or whoever your favourite player is do not win titles on their own and that class of 92 won a shit load of them so deserve respect. They weren't carried either.
 
lsd said:
I'm 12 Zlaton is the greatest player iv ever seen for us

I'm 50 Stevie Coppell was my hero

Not every arguement is won by asking how old are you .

Just made an observation on a day we played a garbage game that's all like I said before calling someone overrated isn't calling them rubbish
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Just curious too - but how old are you? Have you watched them during their primes? Hope you dont take offence, and you probably know a lot of United history too, but I dont know any people of my age who all grew up watching and idolizing Giggs/Scholes/Beckham/(Butt)/(Neville) that would question that this bunch was sent from heaven.. Butt was quite good too before Scholes sent him to the bench.

Edit: Sure they are a brand somehow - all things with value and of admiration is ideal for branding - but if Keane just talks of them as a brand but nothing else, he has taken his bitterness to the next level.
 
Giggs, Scholes and G Neville were, at one point or another, the best players in their respective positions the world over. To even question their ability is insane.
 
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