Are the class of 92 overrated?

To the OP i think the answer is not.

To the guys trashing the OP: whats wrong with his genuine question? Didnt realize this was a religion of some sort, and the class of 92 are the saints probably. Theres nothing wrong with these kind of critical thinking about what we behave like or believe as a club fans - not very common though
 
I think Keane has a point that the branding is probably a bit much and some of what the boys have done after their playing careers, including some indifferent management/coaching stints and seemingly trying to build over half of Manchester city centre, has left me cold.

However as players they are beyond criticism as far as I'm concerned. They range from some of the greatest PL players to dependable pros who did a fine job for Fergie, and are a clutch of players any manager of any team would kill to have working for him.
 
Scholes and Giggs are 2 of the greatest players to have ever played for the club,Beckham was world class for a while and he played a key role in promoting the club across the world,Gary was a top class RB and Phil and Nicky were good squad players.So no,they aren't overrated at all....
 
Local lads on the whole playing for the shirt - Giggs Scholes and Neville - three of our greatest ever players - the bedrock of a team. It will never happen again and I'm glad I had a season ticket to see it.
 
PeteManic said:
Overrated no. But they did underachieve.

Should have won more Champions Leagues (2000 or 2002 in particular)
Beckham's career wasn't what it could have been.
Scholes' reticence meant he didn't have the impact on England that he could have.
Giggs' legacy is his longevity but his appearances mask the fact injuries impacted upon his initial potential.
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Under achieve?? How?? Should have won a couple more trebles - yes you're right ...
 
No, they're not.

Is a bit annoying though that you're accused over the years of not being a 'real fan' if you don't think every bang-average youth team product will become a superstar because 'Class of 92' though.
 
Being as every other club that has a couple of players to come through are compared to the class of 92, then they are not. Obviously individually they were not the best players in the world, as the european player of the year/balon d or was never won by any one of them. Collectively they made history.
 
They're not overrated as individuals but Keane's point is that their little group has overshadowed the other players who contributed to titles. Players like Irwin, Ince, Parker, Kanchelskis for example were magnificent in our early title winning sides but have been a little forgotten about.

I mean Irwin was the best full back either side for almost ten years.
 
Boycott said:
They're not overrated as individuals but Keane's point is that their little group has overshadowed the other players who contributed to titles. Players like Irwin, Ince, Parker, Kanchelskis for example were magnificent in our early title winning sides but have been a little forgotten about.

I mean Irwin was the best full back either side for almost ten years.
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The players you mention were pre 1995 on whole and Kanchelskis and Ince were tremendous. Would love a Kanchelskis in the team today but he'd probably be played on the left, isolated and only have one player to aim at in the box.
 
Scholes was probably the best midfield player in his generation. Giggs one of the best wingers in his generation. Butt was a good player overshadowed by Keane who was a genuine world class player who would get into any team during his time in his position.
The rest was not so good. As for Beckham his PR machine made him a better player than he really was. He was a very good player but not among the best in the world. This is what Bestie has to say of Beckham. ""He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right."
 
MILLHILLMANC said:
The players you mention were pre 1995 on whole and Kanchelskis and Ince were tremendous. Would love a Kanchelskis in the team today but he'd probably be played on the left, isolated and only have one player to aim at in the box.
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That's the point though.

United won the title pre Co92 and Keane played with great players then who aren't fashionable names and don't get praise. So I think his comment is understandable.

I love what the lads of the Co92 went on to achieve - legends. But lets not forget the great players who came before them.
 
Foxbatt said:
Scholes was probably the best midfield player in his generation. Giggs one of the best wingers in his generation. Butt was a good player overshadowed by Keane who was a genuine world class player who would get into any team during his time in his position.
The rest was not so good. As for Beckham his PR machine made him a better player than he really was. He was a very good player but not among the best in the world. This is what Bestie has to say of Beckham. ""He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right."
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You're talking total bollocks, Beckham weighed in with more than enough goals in his United career and he also contributed nearly every major assist during that period.

And to suggest the rest was not that good is actually insane. I'm sorry but your post is one of the worst I've ever read on any forum.
 
edgar allan said:
Beckham was a class act for sure but we will have to agree to disagree on the better player.
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I would say Beckham's 98/99 was better than any individual season that Scholes (or Giggs for that matter) ever had. He was truly up there as one of the best players in the world that season. Not THE best, but certainly top 5 and probably top 3.

Indeed, I'd say that Beckham's three year peak from 99-01 was better than any three year period that Scholes or Giggs ever had. Obviously Giggs was better before that period and for the majority of their careers after that, and Scholes was better after that period, but during it Becks was something special. The over-the-top hype about him throughout his career has meant that many people forget how good he was for those few years.
 
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MadDogg said:
I would say Beckham's 98/99 was better than any individual season that Scholes (or Giggs for that matter) ever had. He was truly up there as one of the best players in the world that season. Not THE best, but certainly top 5 and probably top 3.

Indeed, I'd say that Beckham's three year peak from 99-01 was better than any three year period that Scholes or Giggs ever had. Obviously Giggs was better before that period and for the majority of their careers after that, and Scholes was better after that period, but during it Becks was something special. The over-the-top hype about him throughout his career has meant that many people forget how good he was for those few years.
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That is a fair point and he was exceptional in those seasons for sure, we were blessed to have 3 such fantastic players at the one time.

Do you judge who was the better player over 1-2 years or who contributed the most over a longer period?
For me Beckham looked like he was going to be an absolute super star and then he just couldn't maintain the standard. Obviously posh spice got the blame!
 
@lsd
Great thread OP, I'm 100% serious.

Things should always be questioned and perceptions challenged. Especially conventional wisdom. No matter what reaction it causes or how it upsets people.

And boy did you cause a reaction, so kudos to you for that.
Are they overrated? Well Giggs and Scholes are probably actually very underrated. Your afore mentioned Mr Keane claimed in the wake of the Neymar deal that Giggs must be worth a billion and asked what would Scholes be worth today. I'd add to that Butt and P Neville are also underrated, never caught the headlines as the others but never let us down and reliability is a very underrated quality.

Beckham and G Neville were probably rated about right but Neville later in his career. I recall when Garry was hounded by the media while in an England jersey. That was until he got injured. They soon seen the light there after but it took them a long time cop on.

So are they overrated? Short answere is the same as the long one... NO!
 
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prateik said:
3 of those (giggs, Beckham, Scholes) would get into any side at that time.
The others were really fecking good too.


When does a youth team produce a batch of players like that? It was a one-off.. And it was special. And it was ours.
Everything about it was glorious.
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This should have actually answered the OP's question. Whether the class of 92 is overrated/underrated to anyone is not important.
 
prateik said:
3 of those (giggs, Beckham, Scholes) would get into any side at that time.
The others were really fecking good too.


When does a youth team produce a batch of players like that? It was a one-off.. And it was special. And it was ours.
Everything about it was glorious.
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Agree with your first point...

Given we have produced a ‘batch of players like that’ a handful of times in our history...it’s probably not a one-off...more like a process of continuous youth development.
 
PeteManic said:
Overrated no. But they did underachieve.

Should have won more Champions Leagues (2000 or 2002 in particular)
Beckham's career wasn't what it could have been.
Scholes' reticence meant he didn't have the impact on England that he could have.
Giggs' legacy is his longevity but his appearances mask the fact injuries impacted upon his initial potential.
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So much wrong with this
 
What the f is this?
No, Scholes was a legend, as was giggs, becks went on to play for the biggest teams in multiple countries. G.Nev for me was aright but I don't think anyone says he was world class and there was never a better English right back, even butt and Phil if you think they were squad players and look at their contribution to our success you'd have to say the class of 92 had everything
 
Scholes and Giggs are arguably two of the top 10 all-time United players and certainly among the best British players of the last quarter century. Beckham was also a superb player and we got his prime. Without those players and their service we'd not have won the Treble in 1999 and it set the tone and put us in the position to be the dominant team going forward. Butt was also a very good player and Gary Neville is one of the best full-backs in the history of the PL. Phil was alright, not a great player but far from a poor one. I don't really need to get into heavy detail about their impact and influence but having that quality and that stability really is almost impossible to find especially when you consider that they cost nothing in transfer fee's. Probably saved us hundreds of millions.

Definite "NO" from me regarding the question.
 
How old are you? Did you watch them or ...? They won everything. If that is not enough; scholes is the best central midfielder in PL in last 25 years. He was true football wizard. Unique midfielder who was zidane/modric/busquets in one player. Giggs is the best left winger in PL in last 25 years. Beckham was world class player, captain of england and played for real madrid.
Neville was first choice right back of england for a decade. Butt played for england .
Only phil neville was average player.
So 3 players were true world class players. How many teams today have their 3 world class players?

Edit: this thread really pissed me off . Don't mess up with football gods scholes and giggs..... and andy cole:).
 
Not at all over-rated, look at what Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and (to a lesser extent) Gary Neville and (to a slightly lesser extent again) Butt achieved. Phil Neville was slightly different, a fairly average player who proved valuable on occasion as a squad player and made the most of the ability he had, although he flourished after leaving and joining Everton.
 
prateik said:
3 of those (giggs, Beckham, Scholes) would get into any side at that time.
The others were really fecking good too.


When does a youth team produce a batch of players like that? It was a one-off.. And it was special. And it was ours.
Everything about it was glorious.
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The mad thing is people just talk about the famous 6. There were other good players in that crop.

There was also Gillespie, Savage, Thornley and Casper.

The first 2 went on to have long Premier league spells at other clubs, with Fergie saying he'd have never let Gillespie go if Newcastle hadn't insisted on him as part of the Cole deal.
The last two being very unlucky with injuries, with Thornley being spoken of massively highly by Fergie.

The best crop we'll ever see again? Most likely!
 
Devil81 said:
I'd say a few of them were underrated, Beckham, Neville and Butt most certainly.

Giggs and Scholes steal all the plaudits but the truth be told there was far more to Beckham than his hair and lifestyle. You'd pay 200 million any day of the week for his crossing and free kick ability.
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While Scholes stock seems to increase day by day, Beckham's seems to reduce.

Yet in that treble season especially, and other years, you watch the highlights now, and he was an incredible player.
 
Bwuk said:
Scholes, Giggs and Becks were world class.

Gary Neville was a very good player but a level below them.

Phil & Butt were a level below Gary.

To be honest, all 6 of them would walk into our current side.
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I don't think Butt would keep either Matic or Pogba out in fairness. Those two are our best midfield combo, probably since the days of Keane and Scholes.
P Nev would get in, due to the slightly farcical nature of our left back situation !
 
I think Gary and Phil Neville have been overrated due to being a part of that class. Before anyone starts bashing me, Phil and specially Gary have worked very hard during their time here and both of them fully deserve what they have earned. Gary is an absolute club legend. Phil played his part in some legendary moments too. What I mean is, while Giggs,Scholes, Beckham and Butt all had world class performances at some point in their career (1999 Beckham arguably the best player in the world, Butt was keeping Scholes out of the team at the start as some pointed out) Gary and Phil while likely working harder than all of them, could not match their level. That's about it, without the class of 92 with ''just'' Schmeichel Cantona and Keane, United while still would be a regular at champions league and EPL, would not win as much trophies.
 
Scholes won the league 10 times, retired, came out of retirement and won it again. Over rated? Feck off.
 
No, they were players of a very high calibre. No-one makes it into the first team without merit; no-one makes it into the Man Utd first team and stays there for many years and wins everything without being top class. Moreover, it's invaluable to have players that come from your youth system that have a strong bond with the club and don't want to head to Real Madrid at the drop of a hat. They set high standards to other players coming into the club and other youth players coming through - it sends a message that there is a pathway to the first team and to great things. Look at Dominic Solanke - he's opted to run down his contract and join Liverpool because Chelsea have never demonstrated that there is a path to the first team.

The class of 92 means so much to this club, to its success and the values that were laid by Busby.
 
They are underrated as individuals if anything. They were playing in a league that was behind tactically, a league that produced zero CL 1/4 finalists over the entire decade due to no small part its reliance on physicality and directness. Yet those players managed to dominate that league whilst more than holding their own against the more refined European opponents. The fact that Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Keane were consistently reaching quarter finals and semi finals with a team that was set up with 2 wide men and two midfielders and two strikers is an amazing achievement. If any of those players played for the likes of Real or Juventus at the time, they would would have enjoyed a much higher status.
 
Absolutely 100% NO.

Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Gary Neville were all world class players.

Butt and Phil Neville were good servants but not on the level of the other four.
 
Maybe you could argue that the whole class of 92 was a fancy name and having a movie about it was stretching it, but the individuals were immensely talented. The talent in that whole lot was big and we were lucky that we had such a talented core in that era.
 
Klopp_De_Klown said:
@lsd
Great thread OP, I'm 100% serious.

Things should always be questioned and perceptions challenged. Especially conventional wisdom. No matter what reaction it causes or how it upsets people.

And boy did you cause a reaction, so kudos to you for that.
Are they overrated? Well Giggs and Scholes are probably actually very underrated. Your afore mentioned Mr Keane claimed in the wake of the Neymar deal that Giggs must be worth a billion and asked what would Scholes be worth today. I'd add to that Butt and P Neville are also underrated, never caught the headlines as the others but never let us down and reliability is a very underrated quality.

Beckham and G Neville were probably rated about right but Neville later in his career. I recall when Garry was hounded by the media while in an England jersey. That was until he got injured. They soon seen the light there after but it took them a long time cop on.

So are they overrated? Short answere is the same as the long one... NO!
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How are giggs and scholes underrated!? Theyve been sent to stratospheric levels on almost every thread like this.
Beckham is the one who seems to get talked down year on year. You watch the treble year he's the outstanding player of the three by a mile. Loads of goals and assist. A sensation that year
 
No. Legends and deservedly so. Maybe a tad underrated since the whole discussion seems to be on how so many great players could be from the academy when they were actually world class. The scouting changes SAF made paid off handsomely - and when you have a crop of talented youngsters who grew up together - they play better with each other. Consider their careers and what they have achieved - Will any club have a better youth set-up where the youngsters break into the first team and stay there for such a long time? Neville, Giggs, Scholes and Beckham were legends. Butt, P.Neville, Gillespie were great. Add to that Keane, Cantona, Stam, Cole and Yorke and you can understand why we won everything.
 
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