Imagine having mid-20s Giggs, Scholes and Beckham in the squad right now...
Are the class of 92 overrated?
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Always maintained that P Neville was a lucky guy. Right place right time. Which continues to sustain his media career today.
It's a shame the team around them post '99 wasn't quite good enough otherwise more success in Europe would surely have come. With their reputations rightly enhanced.
It's a shame the team around them post '99 wasn't quite good enough otherwise more success in Europe would surely have come. With their reputations rightly enhanced.
Phil wasn't really in the 1992 team at all but just seems to be added to the list for some reason.
In terms of youth years...
1990 - Ryan Giggs
1992 - Beckham, Butt, G, Neville
1993 - Scholes, P. Neville
Of course Phil played in two more campaigns and captained the team to success in 1995.
Yeah it's always something that's been kind of glossed over.
An attitude all managers love but very lucky to be associated with the '92 thing and to be called Neville. Not sure his playing or media career would have been the same otherwise.
I remember Phil looking better than Gary for a time in 95/96. Didn't last obviously.
The problem with the class of 92 is that they are pitted with one another. Hence one of the best playmakers and the best crosser in football history is pitted with the likes of Philip Neville and Nicky Butt.
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Phil was rated the much higher talent when coming through. Quicker, better on the ball, could play either side. He suffered from not having a consistent position, that adaptability does have some drawbacks. Some of his most memorable performances came in midfield, his destruction of a prime Vieria stands out. Much better player than someone like Darmian for an example.
No.
Those players would cost at least £120 million each in these days.
Those players would cost at least £120 million each in these days.
I doubt he was good enough to get a consistent position here.
He wasn't what I expected.With all the hype I thought that would be a super star. Probably fans only knew him for the Champions league games,that amazing right foot and the free kicks.
He was quite slow and remind me to Figo during his last Madrid years,very good crosses but couldn't break any defender.
He wasn't the best in the short combinations either.
In any case one of my favorite Madrid players,a very good professional that never stopped running.
He's a good looking bastard.
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Old enough to know what overrated means do you?
Pretty much everything you can name is overrated are you aware of this?
Overrated is not saying something is poor It's saying something is not the greatest thing ever when some people will try and convince you otherwise .
Scholes is a great player if some people say he uniteds best player ever and the main reason we won so much then that's overrating him .
Personally i feel Keane ,Eric,Schmeichel and Ronaldo not to mention others were more influential in our successes at that time than the class of 92 as good as they were hence when you see the media constantly bigging them up as the cornerstone of our success and making movies about them them and ignoring other reasons I think that's fair to call them out as slightly overrated .
How that is some sort of insult to them or fergie is beyond me .
I remember the same narrative that he was better than his brother. It didn't quite turn out that way and, considering we did not have a great left-back between Irwin and Evra, I don't think you can blame it on freakishly strong competition. It makes me question those stories that Andrew Flintoff only became the best all-round cricket talent in Lancashire when Phil chose football.
Eric Cantona was the catalyst to Fergie s success. I think Fergie acknowledges this as well. He turned a good team into title winners with his magic at no 10.
At the same time, Giggs came along and was to give the team left sided balance for 20 years.
Roy Keane was also signed offering over 10 years of dynamism and leadership in midfield.
On top of all this
A group of talented and mainly local youngsters came through who were reds through and through.
It was the perfect mix.
I don't know personally any united fans in their 30s and 40s who rate the class of 92 over let's say Cantona - it was just a unique set of events. What I can tell you that as a local lad going to the games in the 90s was a privilege watching world stars alongside local lads combining to produce exciting dynamic football.
Yeah I get you're not suggesting they weren't top class players or were in any way derogatory. Just seems to be a trend going round to call out any possible discussion and open up avenues to it. Football fans are incredibly simplistic at times and that comes from players/pundits alike ironically enough.
The game is always quickly evolving and the amount of skill it takes to execute some of the football being played across the world is extraordinary and yet you get the same tiresome turds ( not you) branding sides like Pep's Barca and the like overrated. These are some of the domineering sides of each decade routinely reduced in a knee-jerk roundabout to nothing more than the hipsters choice, a term which has now taken on a life own as the fashionable choice of insult.
Back to the point though, the 92 generation was a once in a lifetime thing, if that doesn't happen I don't think the sheer level of dominance you guys had happens.
The brand aspect may have become excessive in the last 5 years but at least 4 of them were truly top level players who came up through the academy. How likely is that to occur again, particularly in England? You mix up eras a bit (from Cantona to Ronaldo) but, while they were the newcomers in the 96 double and fading by 08 (although watch Scholes in Moscow before he was elbowed in the face), they were certainly a key component of the 99 team. I think Keane and Schmeichel are two of the greatest players ever to play for United but so many memories of that season come from that group of home-grown players. Although Teddy and Ole rightly get the glory, just watch Beckham in the last 10 minutes of the CL final - he is the driving force of that team.
So, to sum up, were they unarguably the very best players of the glory years? Probably not, but they were certainly among the best. And, in light of the vast amount of money United have spent in recent years on what is still a work in progress, just imagine how much easier life would be if we had raised through the ranks a rock solid right back, a right sided player with metronomic crossing and dead ball skills, a left-winger combining pace and skill with work ethic and midfielder of the type England produce only once every 30-40 years.
Because one swallow dose not a summer make. If you ask me Keane was our best player that year. And when we are discussing topics like this, the difference is inches not yards. SO everyone has a dog in the fight as long as its not Blomqvist they are saying.
Beckham was way more than just a one season wonder.
He's the easy target to underrate, as he left early, had the whole circus around him, and people always seem to reward longevity over anything else.
Giggs was my favourite United player, early day Giggs though, not the central mid version.
Forget the fact that is Paul Scholes.. and tell me that you don't think that is an exceptional midfield talent. Just imagine he is a up and coming spanish player.. the class is evident. Not an overrated talent at all IMO.. genuine world-class player.
Beckham, a silver ball winner. Our most instrumental player imo in 1999.. tactically superb with a brilliant footballing brain in the final third. You should see him against Inter in 1999, absolutely shitting themselves facing his crosses which were precise and on the money every time - look at the modern game and think of how many crossing situations go to waste and this guy was nigh on perfect with every delivery. Then add a sensational engine, good passing in general and an underrated ability to carry the ball/protect it under pressure and you get one of the best right midfielders (not winger) of his generation and in english history.
For me Giggs gets the most overrated out of these three footballers, but take the hype out of it and he's still one of the best footballers of the premier league era in terms of wingers and at his very best a nightmare to face.
I actually think his post 1999 era when he started to get more control into his game, after losing abit of pace is very underrated. His decision-making went up a level and his contribution to possession was invaluable.