The holy trinity 68
The disparager
How many more threads do we need for people to whinge about Ole and the players? The doom and gloom is staggering sometimes. Just relax and see what happens.
I wouldn't call Utd finishing 4th next season as catastrophic. I actually think we're the 4th best team in the league, so it's about right if we finish there.….& why are you so confident we’d have such a catastrophic fall next season? We’ve just finishes 2nd with the best away form in the league, set an unprecedented record too! & yet somehow, because Ole is the manager we’re expecting a fall? Yet it hasn’t happened year on year our league position has improved & the same old tripe is spouted after the end of every season Ole has had.
“So and so will improve and we’ll go back down the table”
Yadda yadda yadda.
It’s getting boring now. Just say you hate Ole.
Nobody can assure if we will be 2nd or 4th or anything, but if we look at odds at the moment we are behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea. That's a hard truth.….& why are you so confident we’d have such a catastrophic fall next season? We’ve just finishes 2nd with the best away form in the league, set an unprecedented record too! & yet somehow, because Ole is the manager we’re expecting a fall? Yet it hasn’t happened year on year our league position has improved & the same old tripe is spouted after the end of every season Ole has had.
“So and so will improve and we’ll go back down the table”
Yadda yadda yadda.
It’s getting boring now. Just say you hate Ole.
I wouldn't call Utd finishing 4th next season as catastrophic. I actually think we're the 4th best team in the league, so it's about right if we finish there.
I really hope fans don't get too carried away with finishing 2nd this season. Liverpool had big injuries and Chelsea had an inept manager for half of the season. Liverpool and Chelsea are clearly better than us - just take a look at the major trophies they have won in the last three seasons!
Man Utd are a club that should be competing to win the Premier League and Champions League. I don't hate Ole, I just don't believe that Ole and his coaching set up are good enough to win either competition. Especially when the likes of Guardiola, Klopp and Tuchel are around.
That's management 101. Technically Ole is not even responsible for tactics as he can hire a tactician. Thats the whole point of a manager.What I don’t understand is the utter bile and tripe that gets thrown Ole’s way each time we lose. Also the fact we lose is never because of the players, the fact we lost is always down to Ole. But when we win it’s because of an “individuals talent” and not because of Ole.
This forum LOVES being upset and is never happy.
I dread coming on if Ole ever got sacked (& I hope he doesn’t because he has done so much right for the club since coming in as a manager, the progress is there to see but this forum is too impatient to see it) because this place would be a warzone, you thought the EL loss was bad, sheesh. There for one would be parties in the “street” kinda vibes in here. From so called “fans” as well. Shame.
So every single loss is because of the manager (at any club) and every single win is because of the players?That's management 101. Technically Ole is not even responsible for tactics as he can hire a tactician. Thats the whole point of a manager.
No? It's always the manager. The buck stops at the manager win or loss.So every single loss is because of the manager (at any club) and every single win is because of the players?
Right.
In that case sack everyone and let the players manage themselves.
There's plenty of people at Man Utd getting paid a hell of a lot of money that should be able to make these decisions. They'd do well in making sure they don't hire managers that get clubs like Cardiff City relegated!Who do you suggest the club hires that are good enough?
I didn't say you decide on who the recruitment team decide on, I just asked your opinion on which manager could take us to a different level?There's plenty of people at Man Utd getting paid a hell of a lot of money that should be able to make these decisions. They'd do well in making sure they don't hire managers that get clubs like Cardiff City relegated!
Sorry, don’t agree with this whatsoeverNo? It's always the manager. The buck stops at the manager win or loss.
Whether its second place, third place or fourth is irrelevant really - got to be in one of those slots for obvious reasons - but its the number of points behind first that really matters. Next season, Manchester United have to compete right to the wire, I think they should make the league their no. 1 prority above eveything else and hope Man City/Chelsea/Liverpool falter by aiming for trebles/quadruples.Nobody can assure if we will be 2nd or 4th or anything, but if we look at odds at the moment we are behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea. That's a hard truth.
We'll see how the summer goes with transfers but I don't think we're fancied to repeat second place and a big part of that is that those 3 teams have superior managers.
I agree with you, I would rather be 4th with an 5 point difference from 1st rather than 2nd and being 12 points away. At the end of the day is about how close/far are you from the title being second while its an indicator doesnt really shows how far are we.Whether its second place, third place or fourth is irrelevant really - got to be in one of those slots for obvious reasons - but its the number of points behind first that really matters. Next season, Manchester United have to compete right to the wire, I think they should make the league their no. 1 prority above eveything else and hope Man City/Chelsea/Liverpool falter by aiming for trebles/quadruples.
I read a ting in one of the newspapers recently (sorry can't find it tonight) it was an analysis of all the campaigns since Sir Alex finished, comparing the points gap between the eventual winners and Man Utd. It basically showed that this manager, that manager - this system or that system, it didn't really change anything and for 7/8 years Utd. have been consistent: consistently off the pace - possibly due to the ownership issue.
Last year when Liverpool won the PL, City were also at 2nd with a big distance (18 points). Yet City still won the latest PL. So I don't think that's clearly a pattern. Our distance to City in the last season was 12 points, which was even less than the distance from Liverpool to City 1 season before.I agree with you, I would rather be 4th with an 5 point difference from 1st rather than 2nd and being 12 points away. At the end of the day is about how close/far are you from the title being second while its an indicator doesnt really shows how far are we.
Liverpool were 1 point away in the 18/19 season, we are 12 points away at the moment. Both second places but hardly the same situation.
Right so whats the managers job?Sorry, don’t agree with this whatsoever
Ole is responsible for all of it, he can delegate whatever he wants but he still has the final say he may hire a tactician for instance but he won't just say to him 'do what you what want mate' they will come up with the tactics between them and if its not working out than Ole should he so please can get rid of the tactician and hire a different one.That's management 101. Technically Ole is not even responsible for tactics as he can hire a tactician. Thats the whole point of a manager.
This league is not comparable to the times of Sir Alex anymore.Whether its second place, third place or fourth is irrelevant really - got to be in one of those slots for obvious reasons - but its the number of points behind first that really matters. Next season, Manchester United have to compete right to the wire, I think they should make the league their no. 1 prority above eveything else and hope Man City/Chelsea/Liverpool falter by aiming for trebles/quadruples.
I read a ting in one of the newspapers recently (sorry can't find it tonight) it was an analysis of all the campaigns since Sir Alex finished, comparing the points gap between the eventual winners and Man Utd. It basically showed that this manager, that manager - this system or that system, it didn't really change anything and for 7/8 years Utd. have been consistent: consistently off the pace - possibly due to the ownership issue.
How about we relax and discuss what might happen?How many more threads do we need for people to whinge about Ole and the players? The doom and gloom is staggering sometimes. Just relax and see what happens.
Difference is every knew City had an off year, pretty much like Liverpool this year. Do you believe we are on our way to reach high 80s low 90s points? Because that's what we'll need to win the league.Last year when Liverpool won the PL, City were also at 2nd with a big distance (18 points). Yet City still won the latest PL. So I don't think that's clearly a pattern. Our distance to City in the last season was 12 points, which was even less than the distance from Liverpool to City 1 season before.
What dollars ar you using, US? The totals you have put are so unrealistic.My challenge is that we are a badly run club and I won't be surprised to see another bad transfer window.
I think Ole deserves credit for what he has achieved this year but only time will tell if he has what it takes to win a major competition.
I think we will finish in top 4 unless we have a disaster of a transfer window.
Man city: Looks like they are primed for a good window based on chairman's interview, for me winners.
Liverpool: I am less worried about pool despite them having Van D back who I doubt will ever be the same. Their front 3 a year older, will lose couple of key players for AFN and I don't think they are in a luxury position to spend big.
Chelsea:: I think Tuchel honeymoon period will end, teams will figure out how to play them (in all seriousness, they haven't been effective in PL that much).
TOT: If they can hold Kane and SOn and add Conte, I think they will have a real shot at top 4.
LEI: Enough said
Ideally this is what we need to do:
Get rid of:
GK (net Spend $0): In my view, we sell both De Gea and Henderson for a combined 50-60m. And get another great goal keeper, I don't think both of them will start for another top top club. We got a back up in Tom so that should be a very good outcome for us.
Defense: (net spend 15-20m) Varane (35m), Trippier, we do need a competition for Bissaka ($15m), Sell Dalot (15m), Baily, after that bicycle kick, no change he should be any where near the team (10-15m). Keep Lindelof unless he wants go to. If we sell him for (25-35m), buy a 28 years old well established defender who won't cost a fortune .. like Johny Evans (I know he is 33). Just charity give away Phil Jones, please for the sake of god.
Midfield and Attack: (net spend $close to $100m)VDB + (45-50m) for Sancho assuming Dortmund wants it. Else 75m direct and we try to sell VDB. Buy Grealish 75m, Kind another Kante 60-70m (Sell Martial (35-40m) + AP (5-10m) + VDB (30m, he is just not suited for us, we have seen with Kagwa, Mkhitaryan, we need to learn) + Pogba ($50m-60m, I really hope someone can pay).
Total net spend around 120m and we will end up in a much much better position and a stronger team. I really don't want the distraction of Pogba and also players like Martial who don't put +100% effort every second on the pitch...
But of course we need someone who can execute it.....
And Conte now.I wouldn't call Utd finishing 4th next season as catastrophic. I actually think we're the 4th best team in the league, so it's about right if we finish there.
I really hope fans don't get too carried away with finishing 2nd this season. Liverpool had big injuries and Chelsea had an inept manager for half of the season. Liverpool and Chelsea are clearly better than us - just take a look at the major trophies they have won in the last three seasons!
Man Utd are a club that should be competing to win the Premier League and Champions League. I don't hate Ole, I just don't believe that Ole and his coaching set up are good enough to win either competition. Especially when the likes of Guardiola, Klopp and Tuchel are around.
We have finished 2nd for the second time since Sir Alex retired yet some how we are treading water? Fair there is no progress under Ole in terms of trophies I said as much. Just like you I don't think he will win us a major trophy. That being said whether you see it or not we have progressed as a team.This season we got 2nd. Basically, we have taken a step back since Ole arrived and are now treading water.
It's only starting. We are the joke of the league. Everybody feels like they can beat us. Humilition is unbearableI don't know about the rest of you guys, but I think we've been put back in our place.