Are we the club with most off-field issues in the world?

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

Let's count on some recent things:

• Newest: The Sancho debacle
• Ronaldo last season
• De Gea's contract being offered and then revoked
• Antony's prospect of being sued by his partner
• Greenwood's whole year of "investigation", we seemed hell-bent on bringing him back until the backlash
• The Glazers selling on and off farce
• Henderson being displeased with his position to the point that he refused to talk to the manager after feeling lied to by the club

And I haven't listed some stuffs that were further back, like Pogba's many years of flirting to other clubs, Louis Van Gaal being sacked through the press with no dignity...etc

Our club seems to be constantly plagued with these off-field issues.

 

[Sky1981]

We never really solved the problem post SAF

Our cores are always pampered and spoilt, it passes down to new players, and any manager that even dare to rock the boat got unceremoniously booted out

 

[Beachryan]

The media shape football, and nothing sells like a negative United story.

 

[Wumminator]

Probably not no.

 

[Wumminator]

Man City:
50 million left back accused multiple times of rape
New signing called fat by the manager
594939 charges against them
Cancelo falling out with the manager massively
Walker saying he wanted to leave because of game time
Pep being accused of racism by former black players

 

[Escobar]

We are not a well run club over all, havent been in the past 15 years

 

[garelo]

I'm old enough to remember circus caused by Beckham's new hairstyle

 

[AndySmith1990]

Yes.

The owners are bad people and have cultivated a bad culture.

Upper management is bad because they're hired by bad owners

The collective group of managers we've hired over the years have nothing in common and have been a bad fit, because the people hiring them are bad

Half the players we sign are greedy, self entitled and lazy. Because we've allowed a bad culture to fester and breed these horrible players

All these issues we face aren't bad luck. We face so many issues so often because the people running this club are not only bad at their jobs, they're contemptible people

 

[Devil You Know]

Let's count on some recent things:

• Newest: The Sancho debacle
• Ronaldo last season
• De Gea's contract being offered and then revoked
• Antony's prospect of being sued by his partner
• Greenwood's whole year of "investigation", we seemed hell-bent on bringing him back until the backlash
• The Glazers selling on and off farce
• Henderson being displeased with his position to the point that he refused to talk to the manager after feeling lied to by the club

And I haven't listed some stuffs that were further back, like Pogba's many years of flirting to other clubs, Louis Van Gaal being sacked through the press with no dignity...etc

Our club seems to be constantly plagued with these off-field issues.

Greenwood and Antony are the only 2 that are especially bad.

Sancho, Ronaldo and Henderson are nothing more than players wanting to be first choice and being unhappy that they're not. That should happen at every club, in every season. And if it doesn't, there's something wrong with those clubs.

The DDG contract revocation is nothing. We offer and then don't offer contracts all the time, based on performances. The fact it happened in quick succession is just one of those things. Better to be revoked late rather than signed and then prove to be a mistake.

As fans, we focus on everything that happens here. And we have a particularly toxic fanbase that likes to blow things out of proportion and make it trend on social media. But, really, there's nothing much happening here that's out of the ordinary. If had as few fans as City, none of those stories would have caused a ripple in the press.

 

[Red & White]

Yes. Yes, we are.

 

[MancunianAngels]

We are not a well run club over all, havent been in the past 15 years

We have never been a well run club. Our history post WW2 has been shaped by two exceptional managers.

Everything else has been a mess (excluding 74 - 77 period which my dad and uncle maintain was their best period watching the club.)

 

[Litch]

We certainly are at the moment. The club is like a soap opera...

 

[Woodzy]

Greenwood and Antony are the only 2 that are especially bad.

Sancho, Ronaldo and Henderson are nothing more than players wanting to be first choice and being unhappy that they're not. That should happen at every club, in every season. And if it doesn't, there's something wrong with those clubs.

The DDG contract revocation is nothing. We offer and then don't offer contracts all the time, based on performances. The fact it happened in quick succession is just one of those things. Better to be revoked late rather than signed and then prove to be a mistake.

As fans, we focus on everything that happens here. And we have a particularly toxic fanbase that likes to blow things out of proportion and make it trend on social media. But, really, there's nothing much happening here that's out of the ordinary. If had as few fans as City, none of those stories would have caused a ripple in the press.

Let’s be honest, the Ronaldo situation was much more than that. The guy went and did a scathing interview with Piers Morgan while still employed by the club.

 

[ericPSG]

PSG clearly had most off field issue last year

• Mbappe, Neymar and Messi are 3 permanent circus
• Hakimi rape case
• Coach Galthier racism case
• Al Khelaifi corrumption case with trial in switzerland
• PSG Women team was a great one. Netflix level. A PSG player organizing an assault to injure the legs of a teamate in order to start in PSG and french national team. Even Eric Abidal got in the press in this for cheating

And so many others

 

[Cassidy]

Its PSG but were are not far behind along with Barcelona

 

[Spaghetti]

Possibly yeah. But we also have more news because we are more clickable than most teams.

Barcelona have their fair share of it too.

 

[dcrompton]

You forget the biggest scandal in football: Man City not getting Toure a birthday cake.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Theatre of Dramas

 

[Loon]

It’s called the Glazer ownership. It is a poison running through every vein of the club. So many things would have been dealt with more efficiently with better decision makers.

We need a new owner bounce. Stat.

 

[Sky1981]

Probably because we never address the elephant in the room, lazy players culture that has spread to new squad.

Players like Martial, Rashford, Bruno, Maguire, Sancho, Antony would be booted up before long at any other big club.

Can you imagine any of them jogging around when losing, while playing for Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, City? While losing 7-0 to their greatest rival?

Before we can set the "No one is bigger than the club" we will always gets this episode of players thinking they've made it, and thinking that this is the accepted standard for United. I mean you get 300k for jogging around, you're made man without breaking a sweat.

I'd rather we clear the deck and flirt with relegation and start from scratch with players that are hungry to prove themselves, we will not win anything in the near future anyway might as well take the bitter pill now than later.

Martial would have been booed off the park with that attitude, say what you want but we let our standards drop. The players don't care, the managers seems to care until they give up in 2nd or 3rd year and says feck it. The only time a manager tried to instill some discipline into the club (Jose / Rangnick) we know how it went, they got booted out. As soon as the new manager tried to shake things up, they down tool. Ole caters to the player power and while it works for a season it's exacerbating the problems even further that Rangnick commented we need an open Heart surgery.

I'm sick of this squad, literally speaking I have no favourite player or even likeable player post SAF.

Who's loveable in this squad, hand in heart... nobody.

Rashford : Sulks when things not going his way
Bruno : Constant sulking, pointing at teammate, not taking leadership
Martial : dear god
Maguire : Awful, not trying to fix his basic error
Antony : Showboaters who'll gonna be our new Martial or Danny James, albeit an expensive one.
Sancho : Strawberry

At least with AWB, Shaw, they work hard and actually tried to improve and adapt. The way I see it, our whole Midfield and Defence was filled with Continental players who've done it and are capable of playing ETH football, but when it comes tot he final third, our collections of Ole leftover + Antony aren't helping much. But here comes the plot twist, the Final 1/3rd are the biggest name in Manchester United, and the clock is ticking. Can ETH wins or he'll get his P45 this season.

 

[Mike Smalling]

We're in that category, but there are others with similar amount of problems, like Barca and PSG.

 

[Red_Aaron]

Hated. Adored. Never ignored

Stories about utd pay a lot of people's bills

 

[spiriticon]

We need to reduce the amount of high profile signings and rely more on youth players with the fire inside to prove themselves. Yes the youth players may not have the same quality but they got more ambition.

Most big money signings think too highly of themselves and deliver little on the pitch.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

No, it just feels that way because a) we're closer to it and b) our shit gets reported more because we're one of the biggest clubs in the world.

If this shit happens at Crystal Palace, no one gives a toss.

 

[Plastic Evra]

I think the Sancho "controversy" doesn't even amount to much of anything yet, happens literally several dozens of time in clubs of all sizes that the coach "calls a player out" (and I'm not sure you can even say that's what ten Hag did)
Likewise the De Gea thing : Old servant of the club is shown the door not in the most graceful way... A story repeated every summer.

 

[Mainoldo]

PSG

 

[Norris Cole]

Juventus and Barcelona have much bigger and well documented issues imo.
And thats just about the ones we know about, i;m sure a lot of the lesser reputation teams have their issues, it just doesn't sell papers as well

 

[Lentwood]

The Sancho story is absolutely standard and would barely be getting mentioned if it were any other club. A bit-part player is unhappy he wasn't selected and had a dig at the manager - see Demurai Gray vs Dyche over this very same weekend

 

[united_99]

No. But if off field stuff is creating more news than on field stuff/(lack) of success, then it will come across this way.
I mean hardly anything comes close to Cantona kicking a fan or Keane admitting he deliberately injured Haaland. Or even the Beckham/Fergie boot incident. The difference being that our on field success created even more (positive) headlines.

 

[red.knight]

Let's count on some recent things:

• Newest: The Sancho debacle
• Ronaldo last season
• De Gea's contract being offered and then revoked
• Antony's prospect of being sued by his partner
• Greenwood's whole year of "investigation", we seemed hell-bent on bringing him back until the backlash
• The Glazers selling on and off farce
• Henderson being displeased with his position to the point that he refused to talk to the manager after feeling lied to by the club

And I haven't listed some stuffs that were further back, like Pogba's many years of flirting to other clubs, Louis Van Gaal being sacked through the press with no dignity...etc

Our club seems to be constantly plagued with these off-field issues.

I would like to add a couple more things

• Maguire (captain at the time) assault and attempted bribery charges
• The growing debt
• The rusty and rotting OT

 

[groovyalbert]

We are owned by an opportunistic family who neither have the rights or funds to properly govern a club like ours. To protect their interests and provide cover for them, they employ like minded people to direct the club.

This is the culture that has been instilled in the club, and the players know they can get away with pretty much anything as a result.

EtH bucks the trend, but has he got a fight on his hands if we're not sold soon.

 

[FortunaUtd]

No, it just feels that way because a) we're closer to it and b) our shit gets reported more because we're one of the biggest clubs in the world.

If this shit happens at Crystal Palace, no one gives a toss.

This. And I will add a c) that is connected to a) and b), which is that sadly our patience as a fanbase has grown so thin (or nonexistant) that we are ready, even eager, to explode into frustration at every opportunity and keep piling on everything that goes wrong onto the things that have gone wrong over a decade.
Looking at it soberly, it is just an issue with one player that clearly and unfortunately has had issues ever since joining us, yet our reaction is that 'the whole club is a circus'. It is not.

 

[The No.10!]

The bigger question I have is this - what are the origin stories behind the ABU propaganda in the British media? Is it some high level cultural thing, or just media outlets with leaderships supporting other teams?

 

[fezzerUTD]

Yes.

The owners are bad people and have cultivated a bad culture.

Upper management is bad because they're hired by bad owners

The collective group of managers we've hired over the years have nothing in common and have been a bad fit, because the people hiring them are bad

Half the players we sign are greedy, self entitled and lazy. Because we've allowed a bad culture to fester and breed these horrible players

All these issues we face aren't bad luck. We face so many issues so often because the people running this club are not only bad at their jobs, they're contemptible people

Spot on apart from half the players id say 75%. And it won’t ever change whilst Glazers are in charge.

 

[Abraxas]

Let's count on some recent things:

• Newest: The Sancho debacle
• Ronaldo last season
• De Gea's contract being offered and then revoked
• Antony's prospect of being sued by his partner
• Greenwood's whole year of "investigation", we seemed hell-bent on bringing him back until the backlash
• The Glazers selling on and off farce
• Henderson being displeased with his position to the point that he refused to talk to the manager after feeling lied to by the club

And I haven't listed some stuffs that were further back, like Pogba's many years of flirting to other clubs, Louis Van Gaal being sacked through the press with no dignity...etc

Our club seems to be constantly plagued with these off-field issues.

Some of them are not really big issues and some are. The ownership being the most catastrophic by far as it has the potential to completely disrupt us across all our decision making and planning. We are operating with one hand tied behind our back.

I wouldn't really throw Dean Henderson, and Sancho into the mix. It's a fairly ordinary course of business at a football club that one or two players that are not doing very well may become disgruntled. In fact it's a fairly ordinary thing in any work place in general.

 

[AndyMUFC86]

Hated, adored, never ignored

Everything we do gets media coverage like no other club

 

[Wezzaldo]

Are we the club with the most dramatic fan base in the world?

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

Are we the club with the most dramatic fan base in the world?

Are we the club with the most forgiving fanbase in the world?

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

There does seem to be a lot of stuff but then again Utd are still very much 'box office' compared to other clubs worldwide. Anything Utd is gold-dust clickbait and the media just love to make a meal out of anything Utd, thats fair enough though as I think as it demonstrates the stature of a club Utd are in media circles. Not meaning to be disrespectful to other clubs but similar shenanigans just get very little coverage at other clubs as they are well, smaller with less worldwide interest.

City have had their fair share of similar stuff with Mendy, Grealish on the razz, the Cancelo situation, heck even with a certain Jadon Sancho a few years back, its just that they cant get the same level of interest despite being the better and more successful team at the moment.

 

[BluesJr]

We let the media control the narrative constantly. Time we got a lot smarter in dealing with them. We should be paying them off, cosy-ing up to them etc and having better relationships.

It’s very obvious to me City did that early on and it’s worked wonders.