No dividends for at least three years, it's in the SEC filings of the deal
What makes you think there's no money to be invested?
Are you confident of success in the INEOS era?
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It’s really not, it’s just a pragmatic assessment so far, look SJR already has been to more games, shows that he genuinely cares and understands the history of the club, he came to the Munich memorial at Manchester, you can see the guy is 1000 times more interested in the club than the parasite Glazers ever where but for all that I just get the feeling that His new structure might just overthink everything and for all this exciting new structure at Nice, where are the tangible results. He’s like the guy we want to own the club, because some United fans think this is Sir Jack Walker from Blackburn all over again but it’s not because if it was He would be looking at a major overhaul this summer, starting with the Manager.
Early signs are of course positive.
But if the last decade of following United have taught me anything, it's to be wary of false dawns and premature declarations of turning a corner. Let's see how the navigate the Ten Hag issue and summer recruitment.
But if the last decade of following United have taught me anything, it's to be wary of false dawns and premature declarations of turning a corner. Let's see how the navigate the Ten Hag issue and summer recruitment.
Interesting - but that's not very long compared to no dividends ever, which is the effective situation at City.
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Running the marathon then will be at Wembley. G’won Jimmy lad!
It's not a pragmatic assessment. It's full of irrelevant things like their F1 involvement or rugby. Their football endeavours need a lot of contextualising as well. You just mostly tried to make up arguments against them.
The paragraphs about our results since the takeover was made official is the funniest part, how exactly did you expect them to save the current season when the whole thing was only approved 2 months ago, in February?
They're not expected to have much of a stake by then, if any
This. It’s far too early to say in terms of answering the OPs question but the early signs are certainly positive. Particularly the appointments of Berrada & Wilcox, imminent appointment of Ashworth, getting rid of Arnold & Murtough & stadium redevelopment/new stadium plans.
The only concern I have is the names that have been mooted for the managerial position if INEOS want ETH out. Don’t have much confidence in Graham Potter & Gareth Southgate to change things around.
SO we keep hearing but they keep on staying.
Major cost cutting exercise going on with review of staff spending etc. i wonder who paid for the Glazers travel to the game today?
Ratcliffe out
I don’t think you understand how hard it is to get these people out of contracts. The summer isn’t even here yet and you are already panicking.
Cheer up and get some reality. It’s gonna take time. Will the next manager appointment work out? Probably not but it’s a process. You don’t and won’t get everything right immediately. Almost impossible as reality comes up with unforeseen outcomes.
Football is perhaps the most crazy of sports but little by little investment does count. As we saw with City it wasn’t built over night. Took years before they became conquering to a degree in Europe and still not even there yet results wise a decade later. Mentality is still not Real Madrid for example.
The club will see success under the INEOS ownership but there will be bumps along the way, a wrong appointment and some misses in player recruitment, which the novice and shortsighted supporter will deem a complete failure. Supporters will need to accept it’s a process with a view of long term success.
No no it’s a very pragmatic assessment. I mean Sir Jim promised a new stadium but we’re still playing at OT!!! We need a real owner with ambition! If Sir Jim wants to make real change then he should overhaul the squad and change the manager, so we could blame him when it all crashes and burns again.
Running a marathon instead of sacking ten Hag, complete failure.
For me Rashford is the test. One of our only potential sales for decent money for a truly abysmal footballer. If their plan is for him to be part of team under any new manager then any faith i might have will be gone.
So we need to wait until the summer to complete all these appointments? It should be way before the summer so that we have enough time to plan properly. Of course everyone understand how hard it's to get these done but we are in a desperate situation where we need total revamp of the football structure to prepare properly for next season.
If we failed to plan ahead it will be more difficult to get the right players in especially we are also in need of changing a manager too. It will already be too late in the summer. Players signings must be planned months before the summer.
If hag is not sacked asap, this is another thumb twiddler at best.
Negligent to let him stay on with so much evidence on the table. Bad start.
Ineos team need to show real ambitions and start to do the obvious/needful?
Already in a cup final
How ruthless they are with these players in the summer will tell us everything we need to know.
A way to show they have intent of getting us back to the top would be sacking ETH after today's quite simply unacceptable performance
Essentially getting into a phase where they have to make a definitive statement to annunciate what the intentions are over the next 24 months. There's manager culpability but then there's the hierarchy's own competence in defining what the standard is.
I don't think Ashworth being in place or not is enough of an excuse to deter any dissemination because it's a severe case of underperformance on the managers behalf which in my opinion is untenable and has been for a period of months.
Another defining factor that further strengthens the need for transparence with where they stand is the managers contract, if Erik is not what Ratcliffe deems as viable with how he envisions the clubs success, then the extra season is an absolute non-entity.
I don't think Ashworth being in place or not is enough of an excuse to deter any dissemination because it's a severe case of underperformance on the managers behalf which in my opinion is untenable and has been for a period of months.
Another defining factor that further strengthens the need for transparence with where they stand is the managers contract, if Erik is not what Ratcliffe deems as viable with how he envisions the clubs success, then the extra season is an absolute non-entity.
It seems it'll boil down to whether we sack this guy off or he gets to ruin another season for United fans. If they don't, my already low expectations would be close to 0.
The earlier he goes, the better.
The earlier he goes, the better.
Anyone we bring in after Ten Hag will technically be an interim anyway. It’ll take years to set this up how they want, we really need to be patient. Ten Hag won’t be sacked until the summer but there’s no guarantee that his replacement won’t just be another brand of shite.
Is it ok to suggest that they're dragging their heels on firing the manager yet? Obviously they are dealing with other areas of the coin but the important stuff happens on the pitch and they're taking no action just like the Glazers.
Honestly think people need to be patient.
Honestly think people need to be patient. Getting the right structure in place (hopefully) doesn't mean it'll work out perfectly from the start. But a clear plan and continuity the will make the chances of succeeding bigger.
I'm not saying they won't do a good job but I base my expectations on real world observations (and the thread is about expectations).
If they delay the sacking, it'll take two more years to convince me they know what they're doing.
I'm usually a realist, but from what we're seeing this far I choose to be optimistic. Maybe it's from thinking it can't get much worse though. Who knows..
100% confident. Will take a good couple of years though.
We'll see loads of players go this summer.
We'll see loads of players go this summer.
Exactly the same here. I’m usually a realist as well, which means knowing that things have and will continue to be bad, but I want to believe that INEOS can turn things around. I really do. I’m fed up of eleven years of us going nowhere.
If they build/revamp to a new stadium it will be all worth it already.
he’s united and all those other runners are mid-table teams.
We'd have the biggest attendance in the conference league
Theatre of Dreams innit lad.
Unless they authorise the sale of anyone then I won’t have confidence in their abilities to change things.
They really need to show more ambition than this, surely? ETH is nowhere good enough. We have been embarrassingly outplayed by many teams this season. Enough is enough. If this is so obvious to the fans I hope the Ineos team have the same take on the situation
To answer the original question, not confident of success, no, but confident that they won't be the absentee landlords that the Glazers have been and that they'll at least try to get the best personnel and systems in place behind the scenes to get United challenging again.