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[GoonerInPeace]

lets face it, if Martinelli was available to any top 6 club on 180k a week wages, you would pay it.

This is the going rate for a player like Martinelli, still massive room for improvement and he is already top class. Has the great attitude to match as well

Ive always said, Arsenal's best signings will be extending player contracts rather than drafting new players into the club. Saka will probably get 250k a week, and Saliba maybe in-between 250 and 180. Its not like we havent paid these wages before, we did to Ozil and PEA.

Saka is etending his deal - its 99.999%
I reckon Saliba will be about 90%

 

[ThierryHenry14]

lets face it, if Martinelli was available to any top 6 club on 180k a week wages, you would pay it.

This is the going rate for a player like Martinelli, still massive room for improvement and he is already top class. Has the great attitude to match as well

Ive always said, Arsenal's best signings will be extending player contracts rather than drafting new players into the club. Saka will probably get 250k a week, and Saliba maybe in-between 250 and 180. Its not like we havent paid these wages before, we did to Ozil and PEA.

Saka is etending his deal - its 99.999%
I reckon Saliba will be about 90%

Not sure how accurate the numbers in the link. Saka will definitely get a big raise for his performance.

https://www.capology.com/club/arsenal/salaries/

 

[Berbaclass]

lets face it, if Martinelli was available to any top 6 club on 180k a week wages, you would pay it.

This is the going rate for a player like Martinelli, still massive room for improvement and he is already top class. Has the great attitude to match as well

Ive always said, Arsenal's best signings will be extending player contracts rather than drafting new players into the club. Saka will probably get 250k a week, and Saliba maybe in-between 250 and 180. Its not like we havent paid these wages before, we did to Ozil and PEA.

Saka is etending his deal - its 99.999%
I reckon Saliba will be about 90%

Those turned out well for you.

 

[Vapor trail]

lets face it, if Martinelli was available to any top 6 club on 180k a week wages, you would pay it.

This is the going rate for a player like Martinelli, still massive room for improvement and he is already top class. Has the great attitude to match as well

Ive always said, Arsenal's best signings will be extending player contracts rather than drafting new players into the club. Saka will probably get 250k a week, and Saliba maybe in-between 250 and 180. Its not like we havent paid these wages before, we did to Ozil and PEA.

Saka is etending his deal - its 99.999%
I reckon Saliba will be about 90%

I agree with some aspects but Martinelli is not a 200k a week player. That's the type of wage an approaching 30 years old Son should be on realistically.

I think Martinelli has shown promise and is an impactful player however but Arsenal fans shouldn't change the narrative like it's justifiable. When he's 26 for example how does a re-negotiation look ? United are probably the best example being reactive in contract negotiations for young players which is why the club are now introducing a wage cap. If Arsenal out Saka on anything close to 250k it will cause issues with recruitment if the club end up targeting a higher caliber of player.

 

[Berbaclass]

I agree with some aspects but Martinelli is not a 200k a week player. That's the type of wage an approaching 30 years old Son should be on realistically.

I think Martinelli has shown promise and is an impactful player however but Arsenal fans shouldn't change the narrative like it's justifiable. When he's 26 for example how does a re-negotiation look ? United are probably the best example of being very reactive for contract negotiations which is why the club are now introducing a wage cap. If Arsenal out Saka on anything close to 250k it will cause issues with recruitment if the club end up targeting a higher caliber of player.

Agree, he doesn't have the end product for that type of money.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

I agree with some aspects but Martinelli is not a 200k a week player. That's the type of wage an approaching 30 years old Son should be on realistically.

It is fine to criticize a player that do not justify his salary based on his performance on the pitch, but not based on his age. Son is actually a very good example as he has been performing at a high level for number of years. It is fair to say Martinelli's output has yet to match Son at the moment but they are on similar salary.

Wingers that start for top 6 clubs are on high salary. Salah, Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Mahrez, Sterling all on very good money.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

I agree with some aspects but Martinelli is not a 200k a week player. That's the type of wage an approaching 30 years old Son should be on realistically.

I think Martinelli has shown promise and is an impactful player however but Arsenal fans shouldn't change the narrative like it's justifiable. When he's 26 for example how does a re-negotiation look ? United are probably the best example being reactive contract negotiations for young players which is why the club are now introducing a wage cap. If Arsenal out Saka on anything close to 250k it will cause issues with recruitment if the club end up targeting a higher caliber of player.

Thats just it though, who is higher caliber than Saka that Arsenal would target? He is one of the best right wingers int he world, with potential to be the best. He is one of the most valuable footballers in the world given his youth and current trajectory. Which player would cite themselves as more worthy of 250k a week than Saka? The list wouldnt be long, and those are players we wouldn't target.

We also gave Martinelli 180k a week, because its a rate other clubs wouldn't hesitate to offer. Its not even close to the Sancho deal, because for some reason you gave Sancho 350k a week - which is a fee no one else would offer, if you offered Sancho 200k a week, who is outbidding you at 250k a week? but united just g here, Jadon, heres 350k a week. Chelsea are going through something similar with Mount who wants 300k a week. Who the F else is offering Mount 300k a week?

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Agree, he doesn't have the end product for that type of money.

Like United wouldn't sign him for 180k a week. I mean FFS you are paying Antony 200k a week. Don't even get me started on Jadon

 

[Berbaclass]

Like United wouldn't sign him for 180k a week. I mean FFS you are paying Antony 200k a week. Don't even get me started on Jadon

Both are better players

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Both are better players

This is a united forum. As a guest I 100% agree with you. They both 100% justified their transfer fee and wages.

 

[Vapor trail]

Thats just it though, who is higher caliber than Saka that Arsenal would target? He is one of the best right wingers int he world, with potential to be the best. He is one of the most valuable footballers in the world given his youth and current trajectory. Which player would cite themselves as more worthy of 250k a week than Saka? The list wouldnt be long, and those are players we wouldn't target.

We also gave Martinelli 180k a week, because its a rate other clubs wouldn't hesitate to offer. Its not even close to the Sancho deal, because for some reason you gave Sancho 350k a week - which is a fee no one else would offer, if you offered Sancho 200k a week, who is outbidding you at 250k a week? but united just g here, Jadon, heres 350k a week. Chelsea are going through something similar with Mount who wants 300k a week. Who the F else is offering Mount 300k a week?

Don't agree with what your saying about Saka because he specialises in one position. A player of any other position in the squad could demand high wages based on what your paying the highest payer at the club.

United as I said are the best example of what to avoid which is the road Arsenal are exploring going down. A key reason as to why Pogba essentially turned down 300k a week while another member of the squad (Ronaldo) was on ridiculous wages, how easy would it have been for Raiola to make a case for his client ? It's not about Pogba being better than Ronaldo it's the standard or precedent that is established.

At end of the day you can justify it yourself logically but you have to be objective and see what it does long term and oftentimes it comes across as a detriment. Also something that has been an undermining factor for Barcelona's tenure under Laporta. If a player demands an excessive amount and is close to contract expiry the club either holds it's position or folds to the demand.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Both are better players

If you asked every club if they could take Martinelli, or both Sancho and Antony. The answers would be interesting.

 

[Berbaclass]

If you asked every club if they could take Martinelli, or both Sancho and Antony. The answers would be interesting.

Would you swap him for Sancho?

 

[Klopper76]

If you asked every club if they could take Martinelli, or both Sancho and Antony. The answers would be interesting.

I'd take Martinelli over Antony easily. Sancho is an interesting one. He's been so underwhelming at United but there's clearly a player there. I'd lean towards Martinelli right now but maybe Sancho just needs the right set up to explode.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Don't agree with what your saying about Saka because he specialises in one position. A player of any other position in the squad could demand high wages based on what your paying the highest payer at the club.

United as I said are the best example of what to avoid which is the road Arsenal are exploring going down. A key reason as to why Pogba essentially turned down 300k a week while another member of the squad (Ronaldo) was on ridiculous wages, how easy would it have been for Raiola to make a case for his client ? It's not about Pogba being better than Ronaldo it's the standard or precedent that is established.

At end of the day you can justify it yourself logically but you have to be objective and see what it does long term and oftentimes it comes across as a detriment. Also something that has been an undermining factor for Barcelona's tenure under Laporta. If a player demands an excessive amount and is close to contract expiry the club either holds it's position or folds to the demand.

The point in making, is Martinelli is market value because there are multiple clubs who wouldn't hesitate to pay him 200k a week. When United gave Sancho 350k a week, was there the idea another club were offering him 300k and you needed to outbid them? I dont know why United offered that wage . As for Pogba asking for 300k a week, he asked for it but he didnt get it, didnt even get it at Juventus.

Arsenal are not going down the United route, as we are paying wages that reflect market value, We didnt just randomly give Martinelli 180k a week. We have him that because we know his good he is and its safe to assume multiple other clubs would offer than wage to Martinelli.

 

[Berbaclass]

The point in making, is Martinelli is market value because there are multiple clubs who wouldn't hesitate to pay him 200k a week. When United gave Sancho 350k a week, was there the idea another club were offering him 300k and you needed to outbid them? I dont know why United offered that wage . As for Pogba asking for 300k a week, he asked for it but he didnt get it, didnt even get it at Juventus.

Arsenal are not going down the United route, as we are paying wages that reflect market value, We didnt just randomly give Martinelli 180k a week. We have him that because we know his good he is and its safe to assume multiple other clubs would offer than wage to Martinelli.

He was among the best players in the world at Dortmund, don't get why you keep downplaying this.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Would you swap him for Sancho?

I wouldnt swap Martinelli for both of them.

If there was an option for Antony and Sancho to come to Arsenal, and Martinelli go the other way, its a hard no from me.

 

[Berbaclass]

I wouldnt swap Martinelli for both of them.

If there was an option for Antony and Sancho to come to Arsenal, and Martinelli go the other way, its a hard no from me.

Weird because Sancho is obviously a better player/has a higher level.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Weird because Sancho is obviously a better player/has a higher level.

Sancho reeks of Delli Alli. There has been accusations of poor attitude and coming late to training and not taking training seriously enough.

Its also not 'obvious' Sancho is better than Martinelli. Infact to most people it would be obvious Martinelli is better than Sancho. Look at the contrasting performances this season.

 

[Blood Mage]

Both are better players

I hope you're just winding up our resident gooners and not being serious

 

[Berbaclass]

Sancho reeks of Delli Alli. There has been accusations of poor attitude and coming late to training and not taking training seriously enough.

Its also not 'obvious' Sancho is better than Martinelli. Infact to most people it would be obvious Martinelli is better than Sancho. Look at the contrasting performances this season.

Based on what?

 

[Berbaclass]

I hope you're just winding up our resident gooners and not being serious

I'm having a bit of a laugh with Antony yeah, Sancho is absolutely a better player than Martinelli though. He's just obviously had some personal struggles/issues.

 

[Blood Mage]

I'm having a bit of a laugh with Antony yeah, Sancho is absolutely a better player than Martinelli though. He's just obviously had some personal struggles/issues.

The Dortmund Sancho maybe yeah but that player hasn't been seen for a while.

 

[Berbaclass]

The Dortmund Sancho maybe yeah but that player hasn't been seen for a while.

He'll be back.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

Based on what?

Performances in the past 2 years. The fact Martinelli is presently playing and has a fantastic attitude. Where as Sancho is still not playing and needs to fix his headspace otherwise he will end up like Delle Alli

 

[GoonerInPeace]

I'm having a bit of a laugh with Antony yeah, Sancho is absolutely a better player than Martinelli though. He's just obviously had some personal struggles/issues.

Is that why he passes the ball back infield rather than take his man on?

Menality is important. Martinelli will continue to work and improve, Sancho seems a bit soft and not built for the big time.

 

[awop]

He'll be back.

Maybe, but until he does, most reasonable fans would pick Martinelli.

 

[Berbaclass]

Is that why he passes the ball back infield rather than take his man on?

Menality is important. Martinelli will continue to work and improve, Sancho seems a bit soft and not built for the big time.

How would you know as an Arsenal fan what's needed for the 'big time'

 

[FootyGirl88]

How would you know as an Arsenal fan what's needed for the 'big time'

 

[SilentWitness]

Sancho has more potential for me but based on their PL careers you'd go with Martinelli.

 

[Berbaclass]

Maybe, but until he does, most reasonable fans would pick Martinelli.

And most reasonable fans would probably pick Rashford over Martinelli too.

 

[Berbaclass]

Sancho has more potential for me but based on their PL careers you'd go with Martinelli.

That's probably fair but Sancho has shown in his career more than Martinelli IMO. Also like you say I think he has more potential.

 

[SilentWitness]

That's probably fair but Sancho has shown in his career more than Martinelli IMO. Also like you say I think he has more potential.

Agreed.

 

[awop]

And most reasonable fans would probably pick Rashford over Martinelli too.

Didn't know we were doing a Martinelli against the world debate. I'll leave you to it

 

[Berbaclass]

Didn't know we were doing a Martinelli against the world debate. I'll leave you to it

Just saying, he doesn't get in our team

 

[Loon]

Sancho has more potential for me but based on their PL careers you'd go with Martinelli.

Martinelli has been at Arsenal since 2019? Didn’t realise that.

 

[redcucumber]

You have to pay talents like Saka and Martinelli 180-250k. They are well worth it, especially Saka.

 

[redcucumber]

Is that why he passes the ball back infield rather than take his man on?

Menality is important. Martinelli will continue to work and improve, Sancho seems a bit soft and not built for the big time.

This is rubbish and utterly meaningless. What does being built for the big time even mean?

 

[WeePat]

If you asked every club if they could take Martinelli, or both Sancho and Antony. The answers would be interesting.

I’m taking Sancho alone over Martinelli.

 

[awop]

I’m taking Sancho alone over Martinelli.

Of course you would. Nothing's ever enough for you anymore