Because United has won some trophies in the last few seasons and seriously competes s on a season basis to win some more.Don't put Arsenal and United in the same situation, your club is starving for some silverware
Arsenal just ended their trophy drought
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We're in exactly the same situation wanting to win the PL and Champions League.
No we're not in the same situation because Arsenal fans have been waiting for a trophy for 5-6 years.Plus get a reality check, Arsenal wanting to win the PL and CL ? One will be very tough.Your expectation are too high
It's not as glamourous as the FA cup or the CL.
But winning it while still gunning for the league means you're just that good in battling in 2 fronts, unless you're out by december and decided to go full force in it.
BUt at the end of the day, it's good enough to be engraved in the history of the club, so a tin pot is still a pot.
But winning it while still gunning for the league means you're just that good in battling in 2 fronts, unless you're out by december and decided to go full force in it.
BUt at the end of the day, it's good enough to be engraved in the history of the club, so a tin pot is still a pot.
Quite easily actually, Arsenal will focus more on the league and champions league, as one would expect them to.
The Carling Cup, barring an act of god in the FA Cup, represents Villa's only real chance at silverware this season, whilst Arsenal are very much in the running on bigger fronts.
Was there a season where Arsenal focused on all trophies but pulled the wrong strings and were put out of their misery by failing to win all the competitions ?
If Wenger is ever going to get his boys to become men then Le Arse needs to win this. They need it desperately. It could be a springboard for them.
I'm sorry but this is sort of reply is why I got you nominated for worst non-united supporter. That is utter tosh! You've won feck all since 2005 and now you being picky about what you want to win? If you can't even win the fecking Carling Cup when you're only what? 2 games away from doing so then how in the feck are you going to have the championship mentality to win big gongs?
I was at the Emirates yesterday, went with a mate who's a Gooner. Was a routine performance, Wigan didn't really turn up, but I found it amusing how the Arsenal fans were celebrating when they heard the news United were losing. Not really much to get happy about when it's only the Carling Cup. They also have dire songs, whoever makes em up needs a lesson or 2 in lyrical writing or whatever, stadium is top notch though.
Success in the Carling Cup has no impact on winning a big pot. All it means is that you've won a trophy that Wigan aren't too bothered about.
At the end of the day it is still a trophy. There's something called a 'championship' mentality which you're team obviously still lacks as you lot always without fall apart at the most important hurdle. Winning some silverware will give your younger and even the older ones the belief that you are capable of winning. Whether it is the Carling Cup or not there is no substitute for having experience in winning trophies which you obviously don't have anymore since the departure of the likes of Henry. None of your players know how to win a gong. You should be going all out for this and build from that.
For once I sort of agree with pete. While it's good to win any trophy I've never been particularly bothered if we win or get dumped out by the likes of Southend or Coventry in this tournament. No one takes it too seriously although it's a great tournament for the kids.
It's not one that is a high priority, but once you're in the semis, I don't see the point in being dismissive. It's three games from a major trophy.
Nobody disputes that it is a lesser tournament but Le Arse's problem is being a championship team with a winning mentality. It would do them a world of good to win this. They've gotten this far and they should have a good look at themselves if they don't win it.
Fk me
So really then we should just write off to Wigan and say "Well lads we don't give a fk about this so we'll step out now and give our place to you"
You think it's has no value at all then @
Should we simply just not bother with it at all?
Christ Pete I never believed this before but you're really fking stupid mate - you really are
CC winners in the last few years:
Utd x 2
Spurs
Chelsea
Utd
Chelsea
Then 'Boro who were the weakest team outside the big 4.
I'd say the big clubs do/did give a feck about winning it
This is an interesting question, the status of the players AW is starting in the CC. I think there's definitely something to what you're saying, but it's also possible to overstate it.
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Eboue Djourou Koscielny Gibbs
Wilshere Denilson
Theo RVP Vela
Bendtner
None of the players who played last night are clearly first-choice in the league. The only 3 who might be considered as such are RVP, Wilshere, and Kos. But Squillaci and Vermaelen are currently injured, so Kos had to play. Wilshere is a starter when Diaby isn't fit (though he may have played himself ahead of him by this point). RVP, for fitness reasons, is behind Chamakh right now; this was very much a play-yourself-into-shape game for him. The rest are clearly second-team players.
I think the most significant difference is not in selection strategy -- still second team -- but in the nature of the second team. A couple of years ago, our second team was young and inexperienced -- at the same level as players like Jay Emmanuel Thomas and Henri Lansbury. Now they're less so; we're deeper in quality than we have been. The genuinely young/inexperienced players are at the fringes of a larger squad; they're more like the third team.
Another important factor is that our squad is healthy right now, at least relative to the horror show of the last couple of seasons. So AW has a deeper squad (better players) that he needs to give games to.
It's more like the bigger clubs can put up better reserve teams in the league than the rest. Chelsea ofcourse play full teams but we always have such a good squad we can put out big squads. Most other teams don't have big enough squads and yet put our weak teams.
I'll be honest. I'd love us to win it, a trophy is a trophy. If everyone else goes out, it doesn't bother me, we can win almost by default. It's still a trophy. And it's still a trip to Wembly.
I'll be honest too
We desperately need to win this. It's irrelevant about it being the 2nd or the 9th team.
These bunch of players / the whole club, need to know what it means to actually pick up a proper trophy and to sweat for it like they will should they do it
Only then can we seriously mentally challenge for anything higher
It's imperative we get our hands on this for future achievements imo
If we don't win this we're gonna carry on going nowhere under Wenger ....and I think he knows that
We desperately need to win this. It's irrelevant about it being the 2nd or the 9th team.
These bunch of players / the whole club, need to know what it means to actually pick up a proper trophy and to sweat for it like they will should they do it
Only then can we seriously mentally challenge for anything higher
It's imperative we get our hands on this for future achievements imo
If we don't win this we're gonna carry on going nowhere under Wenger ....and I think he knows that
Hysterical nonsense. It's more important to win next week against Partizan and qualify for the CL KO stage.
Jinx
Carling Cup Semi Final Draw
Ipswich vs Arsenal
West Ham vs Birmingham
There can be no excuses for Arsenal failing to get past Ipswich in a 2 legged Semi Final.
Ipswich vs Arsenal
West Ham vs Birmingham
There can be no excuses for Arsenal failing to get past Ipswich in a 2 legged Semi Final.
Against Keano all of s sudden I don't see an easy game. Will be interesting.
He's not playing you know.
Indeed. And he is a pretty shite manager.
I wanted West Ham, would have been a great away. Ipswich is just a bit of a trek, but we should get to Wembley, so can't complain.
To be fair, this is a tad overboard. Realistically, we should win it, and if we don't there will have been a massive feck up somewhere along the line, and I won't be happy about it, but it's hardly a mental thing.
I personally believe the whole mentality aspect of football is over-hyped. If we don't beat Ipswich, then probably Birmingham, it will be down to tactics/poor performance, not mentality. We're the best side left in it, no amount of mental weakness/strength will change that.
The best thing about winning the CC would be to shut the mental muppets up.
No mental strength in professional sports of all kinds is everything - absolutely everything - if you have'nt got it, playing against anybody any good, who will probe your weaknesses ........you will guarenteed fk up
That is our innate problem
Anyone can see that
Winning this will prove we have some of it and will probably go on to achieve bigger things
I'm with Jopub on this one. You've got a great bunch of players who are more than capable of challenging in the Premier League and UCL but the problem is your team has no sense whatsoever of winning, in other words a winning mentality. Winning things, however small the prize might be, installs a culture of winning in a team. Your team has been competing for a few seasons but every year they stumble at the most important hurdle when that championship mentality is greatly needed.
I hate to say it but it's what makes Ferguson the greatest manager of them all and absolutley seperates him from the likes of Wenger - a winning, a fighting mentality nomatter what's happening with the squad
hehe although that was a little conspicuous by its abscence against West ham!
hehe although that was a little conspicuous by its abscence against West ham!
And in creating the mentality to win the league for 7 years when he first arrived.
Meaning what exactly? He'd already pulled up trees at Aberdeen and obviously the Utd job was a much bigger proposition
But you just said his mentality was such that he could win irrespective of the state of his squad - I was just pointing out what utter bollocks that was.
mmmm fk me you're getting a bit pathetic for this Pete.
Point out to me just how bad Ferguson's his career has been in terms of lacking mental strength from 1986 - 2010 where's he's won over 30 trophies !! and 25 of them being major / top ones
Go on
I wont go into what he won at Aberdeen as well
He's written the book on 'winning mentality' in football
...kinell mate you dont do yourself any favours these days
He's got a great record with good squads but he's not a fecking miracle worker who does it all on mentals which was your stupid thesis.
kin ell, I wonder how so many caftards say you're the 'best non-united supporter' poster